Hector

AOL Fanhouse is like a Canzano blog. It's some guy's opinion. If rookies like Qyntel Woods or Zach had demanded their team's star (or anyone) be traded, Quick never would have reported it uncritically as he did this time. It is clearly inappropriate for rookies to make such demands. It's the tail wagging the dog. I don't think Roy or Aldridge lack class enough to have said this without being accidentally provoked into it by the only so-called witness, Quick.

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Financially, the Blazers lost that trade because they paid Francis a lot of money not to play on their team, whereas Randolph can at least play. They lost talent wise because Frye still sucks except when his outside shot is falling, while Randolph, warts and all, still can put up 20 10. There must have been some other way of getting Rudy Fernandez from Pheonix.
Opening up playing time for Aldridge and allowing Roy to take over the team are the reasons for trying to trade Randolph. Given the fact that ANY Randolph trade would've done the exact same thing, and the Blazers got screwed talent-wise and financially, it wasn't a good trade.

STOMP

I recall the Quick article and specifically recall it making no clear indication as to which player supposedly made some comment to management regarding moving ZR. Maybe this did happen, but why would any player or management type relay this sort of stuff to a gossip hound like Quick? Seriously, how would that possibly benefit them?

Smells like more horsebleep from our main shovel man. Believe if it makes you feel better, but I think the results on the court speak for themselves as to whether this was a good move for Portland's roster... thats the story IMO. In addition to solid rotation players Jones and Frye, Rudy coming next season and ridding the club of ZR's mega-deal allowing cap flexibility make that trade a tremendous move for Portland's management. Kudos to them for having the vision that some here still fail to recognize.

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drexlersdad

financially the blazers save alot of money in the deal. if you consider production, then yes they are getting less "bang for the buck" if you will, but long term portland saves money.

i have come to accept that there are players who can put up great #'s on bad teams, but cant seem to lead their team to victories on a consistent basis.

ZBO is one of these players, imo. He came to new york and was immediately the best player on the team, but still they cant win a game. werent the knicks supposed to be good this year? after isaih "stole" ZBO from us?

its not like the blazers would all have the same stats this year if ZBO was here. if we kept him, with LMA and ROY asserting themselves, ZBO's #'s probably would have dropped, and we wouldnt be able to dump his MAX CONRACT to save our lives.

purely production-wise, we got beat in the deal short term. ill admit that. but like it or not, james jones and channing frye have won us a lot of games.

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No, they're the Knicks, they still have the same incompetent coach. Well, IMO this trade was always going to be available. The Knicks under Thomas will always be willing to take on big contracts for talented players without thinking of how they'll fit. [/quote]
Believe me, I love it that Jones and Frye are helping win games. It's just that once they cool off they won't be very useful because shooting is their only strength.

My main issue (and in general, not just you) is with considering the Randolph trade a win for the Blazers. As I said, any trade would've gotten Aldridge more minutes. When that's listed as the biggest benefit of a trade, you know you lost. I know it saved Paul Allen money in the long run, but paying players not to play for you is just a terrible idea.

dudleysghost

Zach is a one dimensional player but also a good player, who has tried hard to carry bad teams for most of his career. It's not his fault he's been stuck on awful rosters, but he keeps trying. People are willing to assume that he couldn't possibly be on a winning team, but look at the teams he has been on in his career and ask yourself when he has honestly had a chance.

I thought late last season we would be a playoff team this year if we just added Blake and someone like Brewer in the draft. We'll never know if that could've been true, but I knew that our young core would continue to take big steps and make this team better. We traded Zach, added some veterans and the youth took those expected steps, and we're a playoff team anyway. All the Zach haters want to crow about the winning streak, saying we couldn't have done it with Zach. Probably not, but we probably also wouldn't have gone 1-9 with Zach in the games before that. I'm fine with this team trading Zach and what we got for it, but all you hateraide drinkers who say we're better because we traded Zach need to recognize how many other ways this team has improved in the last year and ask yourself whether the improvement was because of the trade or in spite of it. I know people will keep debating this forever, but to me, the irrational hatred is getting old.

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Pinot

#10 Who cares about the money, we made short term sacrifices for long term success. It will lead to more money in the end anyway. We cut our losses and it was worth it. We removed a cancer, got a good bench player out of it who can be an effective spot starter or fill-in for an injured PF and have more cap room to sign good players down the road. More importantly we have allowed time for younger, better players to develop.

You say you believe the trade would have always been available, so it was about making it at the right time, no? Well if we had Zach now we wouldn't be playing so well, we wouldn't be developing the young players so well, we'd have remanents of the Jailblazers, someone to get Darius in trouble, we'd have a guy hogging the ball more than half the time and playing zero defense 100% of the time.

STOMP

wrong. He's been on a couple good Blazer teams early on in his career and of course one NCAA champion. A common theme on those teams was he was a role player, not the featured guy on a max contract.

what a pathetic post. Instead of addressing one of the many logically laid out arguments as to why the Zach trade was a good one for the club, you lash out at everyone on the other side of the argument and paint them as irrational haters.

Perhaps you don't recall the daily vitriol pouring out from your side the Zach trade debate as recently as a few short weeks back? From dismissive comments like... "who would help us win more games this year, it's absolutely Zach > Frye + Jones"...to deriding the players... "Chamain/Carol" Frye is just a "passive softie" who "moves like an old man" and "Phoenix's salary dump" James Jones is due to fade dramatically. They are "only bit players" and expectations of them should be lowered so as to be realistic.

Can you guess who said those hateful things? Hint, it's same guy who recently stated... "I think there are a fair share of people in this forum as well who are perfectly willing to deal out some hyperbole".

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Iwatas

I admit that I have held that the trade was for unequal value, unless Rudy turns out to be a stud. I figured Frye was a waste, and James Jones was probably no better than Freddie Jones - a gunner is a gunner, right?

WRONG.

What is a player who can defend, play smart ball, AND leads the league in 3fg% worth? A lot. Add Frye, and I now think the Blazers got equal value - Frye is no ZBo, but he plays good team ball from the PF. Add Rudy, and we did very well on that trade. Think of it this way: Would we rather have the present team, with all its depth and talents, or have Jefferson from NJ, the player we thought we wanted? I think the answer is self evident.

Hindsight being 20/20, I think *any* of us would have been thrilled last June if told that Oden would be injured from the get-go, but we would have an 18-12 record by the end of 2007. It was a good trade. And whether it was from luck or brilliance, KP gets the credit.

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Dan

Neither Qyntel Woods or Zach would have had the balls, ability or stature to even come close to suggesting such a thing. Roy did, does and will continue to.

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I hate ZBo too. Glad to have another Z-Ro hater on board

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blue32

shi* man, you've pretty much hated almost every blazer on the squad this year at one point or another. lol