PapaG

Off of a baseline cut. That's how he gets his dunks. I've yet to see him put the ball on the floor and attack the rim. I realize part of that is because Nate has him coming off of screens, but I worry about his offensive limitations.

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This decision should never be made. I choose to abstain.

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SheedSoNasty

I'd keep Martell. Although both have surpassed expectations this year already, Martell's abilities are more valuable than Travis'. But not by much.

I like how versatile Webster is on offense, he can heat up and can grab rebounds. Much more athletic than he's given credit for.

However, the same can be said for Outlaw...

It's close, but I'll still go Webster.

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I'm a bit suprised at how tight this pole is not to mention Outlaw is winning by 2 votes. I like Outlaw but I thought Martell would win by a landslide.

STOMP

Huh??? Martell's ability is to bury an open jumper is his greatest attribute. Travis has repeatedly shown the ability to get a good look and convert when it matters. One takes whats given, the other delivers when it's needed. TO's taller, longer, and a whole lot more explosive. While both are still young developing players, I see Travis as having much more upside then MW.

To me it's odd that there would be any question if somehow faced with a one or the other choice.

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Draco

So the question is who do you give up and the post is who do you keep....

I'd keep Martell and give up Outlaw. Outlaw looks like a player who would be good on a really bad team and I think Martell has much more room for growth. Outlaw doesn't shoot very efficiently mostly from poor shot selection, he has a number of holes in his game (defense, passing, rebounding.) Outlaw can cause matchup problems, but it is a double edged sword. When Travis is playing PF he is quicker than the opposing big man and can get his shot off with ease, but he has trouble guarding a physical player and gives up a lot of rebounds which really hurts our second unit. When Travis is on a smaller defender he can post them up and shoot over them but he has trouble guarding quick players and leaves our offense with a mediocre 3pt shooter who can't pass or dribble very well.

I can see Martell becoming a well rounded player in a few years, but I think Outlaw will always have some major weaknesses when he is on the floor.

STOMP

are you aware that Outlaw outrebounds MW in less minutes? Or that he shoots a higher percentage? That he's shooting a whole 4% less from 3pnt range? That his passing results in the same amount of assists and TO's. That he gets about double the amount of blocks and almost does that in steals as well?

http://www.nba.com/blazers/stats/

I don't see anything that points to only Martell improving while Travis's game gets somehow stuck in the mud... but then I don't see him having major weaknesses right now either. Heck I think he looks like a really good player on a really good team as well.

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ROY4MVP

How about we keep them both? Trout can easily swing at SF/PF, while martell could swing SF/3G. So there is no battle for a position, why trade one of them. If I were to trade anyone it would jack, he just doesn't fit with this team, AT ALL.

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DucRider

Exactly.
Travis' role reminds me of Robert Horry. Normally the 3rd or 4th offensive option, but when you need a shot, or a defensive play (even if it is throwing the opposing pg into the stands), he's there, makes it, content with his role and counting his rings.

cpt.napalm

My vote depends on whether or not we can keep Jones, and Blake. If we can't keep those guys we have no other perimeter threats and teams would just collapse on us. Martell would keep the defences honest. I am still leaning towards keeping Webster though.

andalusian

I can see Martell becoming a well rounded player as well - but other than an occasional blip - I do not see him taking over games. Travis, on the other hand - is a closer. He takes these hard shots because he has to - the team goes to him when there is a need and his athletic gifts allow him to take the crazy shots.

As I said, if you can keep both - you do, but if I have to choose, Travis stays. His game is more unique and his skill set is harder to replace.

This year it is obviously a no contest, Webster is a sub-par NBA starter (using PER), and Travis is an above par NBA starter (using the same formula).

mook

Outlaw is taller, can create his own shot, has more athleticism, is a better help defender and an equal man defender, and is a better midrange shooter. Webster is a better perimeter shooter.

aside from all that (which is quite a bit), Outlaw has demonstrated the ability to drastically improve over time. Webster might show that capacity for growth, but he might not.

hasoos

I believe you have left out the context of development, and experience. Martell is much further along than Outlaw was at this point of his career. He is averaging in the teens already in a year where Travis barely touched the floor during that part of his career.

To say that Martell cannot get his own shot anymore is wrong. He cannot get as many good looks as Travis can at this point, but if you have been watching, you will note that over the last few weeks one of the improvements in the Blazers game is that Martell has developed a post up game and Martell has developed the ability to get off a mid range shot with a change of pace move.

Now that being said, I say you keep both if you can because they are versatile enough to play multiple positions and both be on the floor contributing.

The other thing I often think about with these 2 players development is that a large part of their careers were under Cheeks. I often wonder if those years weren't just as close to doing nothing and that if they had a different coach, they would have developed quicker.

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