moldorf

where are you getting those shooting percentages?

on FG's Martell is .411 for the season and .403 for career
on FG's Outlaw is .448 for the season and .449 for career

on 3pt FG's Martell is .370 for the season and .364 for career
on 3pt FG's Outlaw is .380 for the season and .322 for career

on FT's Martell is .713 for the season and .740 for career
on FT's Outlaw is .725 for the season and .730 for career

I agree that Martell's shooting form seems to convince some people he is a better shooter then he is.

The fact is that Martell is NOT a good shooter. He's not even an average shooter. And it becomes even worse when you consider that Martell almost certainly get more open shots then any other blazer. Travis is a much better shooter and this season Travis has become a primary focus of defenses and has still improved his percentages.

I think Martell supporters are going to be disappointed. KP has already shown he's willing to trade webster when he originally included him in the zach to NY trade. Add that to Travis's remarkable improvement this year and to how much better portland is with James Jones on the floor then Martell and the evidence mounts. Then factor in the impending playing time squeeze at SF with the addition of Oden at C and Fernandez at SG. And finally there is the status of Martell's contract versus KP's stated goal of 2009 cap-space. We could all vote to keep Martell, but I suspect KP won't vote the same...and his vote trumps all.

moldorf

I wouldn't spend much time paying attention to interview fodder when you have much more compelling evidence of how Nate views the 2 players: who plays the most in the 4th quarter and down the stretch? how many last possession shots have been designed for Travis...and have any been designed for Martell?

I'd also suggest that the final say on 'who's a keeper' doesn't belong to Nate...it belongs to KP. And KP already decided to trade Martell once this summer when he was originally included in the NY trade. KP thought so poorly of webster that he was only worth filler in dumping zach. If Martell keeps disappearing in about every other game for the rest of this season, KP will be thinking of shipping Martell out this summer, and his thoughts seem to translate into action quite often.

nikolokolus

I voted to keep Martell, but I have a different agenda than "who I think is better" I'd rather keep Martell, because I still think he has something to show us, and I think Travis is a highly tradeable asset that will allow the team to go out and consolidate the PG postition with a proven performer.

I still want to see Martell get his head sorted out completely

BenDavis503

I am shocked at the votes!!! I would think that it would have been like 80\20 to drop martell.

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moldorf

"potential" is like catnip to a lot of fans

LameR

The question in the poll and the question in the initial post kind of contradict each other. That's why I'm guessing.

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STOMP

Those were TO's & MW's stats as of Jan 17th... this is an old thread that was bumped.

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MrJayremmie

I think if we started it now, again, it would be 70/30 for Outlaw.

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moldorf

ahh...slapping forehead now

BlazerFan22

I like Outlaw alot but I'm still leaning towerd Matell on this one.

Oldmangrouch

If I had to choose one, I would still prefer to keep Outlaw. The catch is, I suspect Outlaw has the higher trade value.

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BlazerFan22

I just see something in Martell I don't want to trade him. Not that Outlaw is not but I just think Martell is a great chemistry guy. The type of character that every championship team needs.

JAFO

First, since the team "may be faced with this decision", this is all hypothetical.
Second, I am quite willing to wait until the "few years down the road" have passed to allow time for both these young players to develop and improve their potential. The trade of either or both these players can be negotiated at a much later date. I think it is still too early to assess their full worth.

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