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01-30-2008, 05:30 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
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Would your view of this trade change if we are able to include Darius Miles in the trade to New Jersey or Dallas?
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NO, unless outlaw is off the table.
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01-30-2008, 05:32 PM
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#137 (permalink)
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
OK, let me put thsi to rest. Harris is 24 years old. He is a good shooter (around as good as blake) a great driver (around as good as jarrett) a Great defender (something like Roy when he tries) amazingly fast (faster than anyone we have i think) and can play true PG.
The guy is a stud, and will be an all star soon enough. He is seriously really good, probably even better then when Roy plays PG, because now Roy can go into scorer mode, and drive and dish. Can you imagine having Harris, then backing him up with Blake? that is amazing! can you imagine how big of a relief it will be for Brandon Roy? think about gettin' Oden, Harris will speed by his defender then throw an alley oop to oden with ease. This guy is seriously the real deal. Think of probably the best charicteristics of our 3 guards, put them in one, and make him a 24 year old with more speed and better defense. Seriously, he is good.
With that being said, giving up Outlaw should not be an option. Jack, Webster, Sergio, 1st is what we should consider, nothin' more, imo.
what do you guys is the limit on what we should offer?
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01-30-2008, 05:35 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
Jack, Outlaw and Frye for Devin Harris (who has some injury concerns). No thanks, that's three young and cheap piece for 1 slightly better piece. We'd be insanely week on the inside...who'd play the backup PF/C with both Outlaw AND Frye gone. No way that happens for that reason alone.
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01-30-2008, 05:37 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
^ i know, i agree. I don't wanna give up Outlaw. I'm not opposed to giving up Frye because he is so damn soft, but not while Oden is down. Hopefully we can do Miles, LaFrentz, Jack, 1st.  lol.
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01-30-2008, 05:47 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
Quick said on 1080 there was nothing to these trade rumors. I'm not sure he knows anything but maybe. I hope he is right if we are trading Outlaw.
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01-30-2008, 05:50 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
Anyway that Portland could land Nenad Krstic, Devan Harris and cash in this 3 team deal  
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01-30-2008, 05:54 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
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Quick said on 1080 there was nothing to these trade rumors. I'm not sure he knows anything but maybe. I hope he is right if we are trading Outlaw.
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I'm sure thats what Pritcherd told him and of course Pritcherd is going to tell the media that thares nothing going on he dosen't want it in every newspaper. Don't be so gulable McFly 
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01-30-2008, 06:01 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
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OK, let me put thsi to rest. Harris is 24 years old. He is a good shooter (around as good as blake) a great driver (around as good as jarrett) a Great defender (something like Roy when he tries) amazingly fast (faster than anyone we have i think) and can play true PG.
The guy is a stud, and will be an all star soon enough. He is seriously really good, probably even better then when Roy plays PG, because now Roy can go into scorer mode, and drive and dish. Can you imagine having Harris, then backing him up with Blake? that is amazing! can you imagine how big of a relief it will be for Brandon Roy? think about gettin' Oden, Harris will speed by his defender then throw an alley oop to oden with ease. This guy is seriously the real deal. Think of probably the best charicteristics of our 3 guards, put them in one, and make him a 24 year old with more speed and better defense. Seriously, he is good.
With that being said, giving up Outlaw should not be an option. Jack, Webster, Sergio, 1st is what we should consider, nothin' more, imo.
what do you guys is the limit on what we should offer?
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I'd be alright with giving up Outlaw for Harris. Harris is much better. I'd throw in Jack or Sergio and maybe a pick.
Harris gives us the chance to be the #1 defense like next year- a solid perimeter with him and Roy (who has been playing great D lately) and a good interior D with Oden and, eventually, Aldridge.
As long as we don't trade all our 3 point specialists, sign me up!
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01-30-2008, 06:02 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
As nice as our current run is, it shouldn't be the only concern. Players like Jack, Sergio, Webster, and Frye have not established themselves as part of the team's long-term plan. I don't believe Outlaw has either, but he is closer to that point than the rest.
Take Outlaw out of the equation, and IMHO this is a very good deal for Portland. It *might* disrupt short-term chemistry, but that is not guaranteed. In the long-term, we would be moving useful, but replacable, parts for a guy who could be part of our core for years. What's not to like?
Put it in these terms: this deal might cost us the 8th seed this year, and help us win a title 2-3 years down the road.
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01-30-2008, 06:07 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
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01-30-2008, 06:08 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
Jack, Outlaw, and Frye for Devin Harris??? Have you guys lost your minds? There is no way on God's green earth that Pritchard would make this trade. He is way too smart to be suckered like this. Please, let's have a little faith in our GM, for God's sake.
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01-30-2008, 06:20 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
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He is a good shooter (around as good as blake).
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Harris is probably better overall, but he is not remotely the shooter that Blake is.
Blake is #8 in the league at 46% on threes, and hits 1.4 per game.
Here's a good comparison:
Player 1: 0.6 3pt shots/game on 1.8 attempts/game
Player 2: 0.8 3pt shots/game on 2.3 attempts/game
Which is a better shooter? I would call this pretty close to a draw given them similarity in number of attempts.
Player 1 (per 36 min): 17 pts, 6 ast, 2 stl, 3 reb, 3 t/o
Player 2 (per 36 min): 13 pts, 5 ast, 1 stl, 4 reb, 3 t/o
Again, pretty close overall.
(1 is Harris; 2 is Jack)
In my mind Harris is just a quicker version of Jack.
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01-30-2008, 06:24 PM
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Re: Merged: Portland, Dallas, NJ Trade rumors
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Originally Posted by Reep
Harris is probably better overall, but he is not remotely the shooter that Blake is.
Blake is #8 in the league at 46% on threes, and hits 1.4 per game.
Here's a good comparison:
Player 1: 0.6 3pt shots/game on 1.8 attempts/game
Player 2: 0.8 3pt shots/game on 2.3 attempts/game
Which is a better shooter? I would call this pretty close to a draw given them similarity in number of attempts.
Player 1 (per 36 min): 17 pts, 6 ast, 2 stl, 3 reb, 3 t/o
Player 2 (per 36 min): 13 pts, 5 ast, 1 stl, 4 reb, 3 t/o
Again, pretty close overall.
(1 is Harris; 2 is Jack)
In my mind Harris is just a quicker version of Jack.
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And a much better defender than Jack
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