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Old 01-30-2008, 03:20 AM   #46 (permalink)
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as much as I like TO, I absolutely love that deal, it would require some adjustment and reconfiguring of the team, but I think some combination of Webster, Jones, and Frye could pick up the slack that TO leaves, Harris would do more than enough to pick up the slack for Jack, and Mags could give us a little toughness. Long term...

Harris/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Jones
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Pryzbilla

if Harris develops a decent J, Martell gets a little more consistent, and Oden does half as good as we think that lineup is KILLER, on defense it already is a top 3 team in the league.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:45 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Would you guys trade Martell, Jarrett and Raef for Dampier and Harris?
Yep, I'd be all over that.

Harris is a solid, solid player who doesn't get the credit he deserves because he is surrounded by a lot of good players.

I would only be hesitant to get rid of Webster in that deal. But, we have Rudy coming over who plays essentially the same position and who I feel will be a better player.
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No way we should get rid of Travis. That would come back to haunt us.

IMO Travis is as untouchable as Roy, Oden and Aldridge.
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I would still be more likely to deal Outlaw than Webster and I think he's a much more unique (and as a result) valuable piece in discussions and even though he's very clutch I think we'll have a need for a complimentary piece shooter to space the floor and get out on the break better more than another player who creates his own shot and struggles to move w/o the ball. I like the holes Harris fills more than the ones Travis does, but I think Webster is gonna be a big part of our future. Compare Webster to TO two years ago, not both of them at the same age.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:56 AM   #50 (permalink)
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So I assume we'd be getting Harris for Jack and TO? I'd seriously consider that.
Talk about lousy reporting. Portland would give up Jarret Jack and Outlaw but no mention of whom they would get in return?? Give me a break. I personally don't think Pritchard would do this deal. The potential backlash among fans could be tremendous. Plus, why would he want to mess with good team chemistry just to get a point guard, when we have Rudy Fernandez coming over next year?
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:08 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Im fine trading Webster. He's progressing but the kid can't create his own shot at all. We have Outlaw, he can't just stay a 6th man for his career, nor can Webster. So we clear the logjam a little bit and bring in a stud young PG.

Harris/Blake/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez/Jones
Outlaw/Fernandez/Jones
LMA/Frye/Outlaw
Oden/Pryz/Frye

I call BS on that. Webster has added a post up game since about 20 games into the season and has been working a jab step change of pace move all season long. There is a big difference between not being able to get your own shot, and not getting many touches which ask you to do it.
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Yep, I'd be all over that.

Harris is a solid, solid player who doesn't get the credit he deserves because he is surrounded by a lot of good players.

I would only be hesitant to get rid of Webster in that deal. But, we have Rudy coming over who plays essentially the same position and who I feel will be a better player.
1. Look at players contracts before saying "Yes" so gleefully. Dampiers will make you frown.

2. Never assume a player coming over from europe is actually good until they get here and play.
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Nate on TO and MW - "they're keepers."
KP - we are ahead of schedule but staying with the plan.
Very unlikely that any trade is made by the Blazers until draft night or just before training camp.
More likely we go into 2008-09 with almost everyone, just making room for GO and Rudy (goodbye Green and McBob), then prior to the deadline we'll deal talent (2 or 3 guys and our #1) to a lottery team (Twolves?) for their #1. That'll give us 8 or 9 in the rotation with a high pick in the next draft and KP will figure out how to get an FA in the mix too. In the end, 10 deep, more experience, and a lottery pick with huge upside and time to develop.
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Re: Chris Broussard ESPN reports...

Harris has a poison pill contract right now... difficult to do

This works

PG HARRIS, Blake, Sergio, Green
SG Roy, HASSELL
SF Outlaw, Jones, Miles
PF LMA, DAMPIER, McRoberts
C [Oden], Przybilla, ?

Gives us 14 and room for Rudy and maybe a draft pick?

But it sure is expensive $$$$$$
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Since everyone is working so hard on these crazy ideas, I'm gonna try and go one step further. It's rumored that Jersey may decide to get rid of all of the Big Three. So my trade will net us Richard Jefferson along with Devin Harris. This trade works on RealGM, http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4450548

New Jersey IN: Stackhouse, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, Webster, Outlaw, Darius Miles and La Frentz

OUT; Kidd, Jefferson

Dallas IN: Kidd

OUT: Harris, Stackhouse, Dampier

Portland IN: Harris, Jefferson, Dampier

OUT: Sergio, Frye, Webster, Outlaw, La Frentz, Darius

We give up a lot in this deal but acquire two outstanding players at our weakest positions. Jefferson seems to have recovered from injuries and is averaging 24 points a game. He is only 27 years old. Hopefully we would then be set at every position and wouldn't need to worry about a big free agent signing in the future. Jack could be substituted for Rodriguez, depending on how Blazers and Jersey feel about him. Dampier could give us some toughness we seem to be lacking. And we do get rid of Darius.

However, if you think that Travis will be better than Jefferson in two years (and I think that is a possibility), then you don't do this trade. And I don't think Jersey would do the trade without him being included.
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it surprises me how often people seem willing to add Outlaw into their trade proposals. I just don't get it. we've had 4 seasons of crappiness and now one season of a potential 6th man of the year-caliber. I could understand people being jaded if he were playing for a contract, but he's taken this big leap AFTER the contract.

a year ago he was a "swiss cheese" player. there were so many holes in his game that you didn't know where to start. he's quietly gone about plugging most of them, and the holes that remain (inability to dunk in traffic, handles, man defense) he's at least shown significant improvement.

for two seasons after this we've got a bargain basement deal on him at $4 mil/season. that's literally half what he's worth. maybe less.

I don't consider Outlaw untouchable, but he's moved up in my mind to the fourth most valuable guy on the squad (after Oden, Roy and Aldridge), about half a notch below Aldridge. and gaining.
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I would be willing to part with Jarrett Jack, any future picks, any foreign players not named Rudy, Raef, Miles, and probably Frye. Outside of those pieces, I walk away from the table.

Outlaw?

We've invested so much time with that guy, and this year he really looks like he could be something. Instead of worrying about how to get rid of him, let's worry about how we're going to afford 4 near-max players (including TO).
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it surprises me how often people seem willing to add Outlaw into their trade proposals. I just don't get it. we've had 4 seasons of crappiness and now one season of a potential 6th man of the year-caliber. I could understand people being jaded if he were playing for a contract, but he's taken this big leap AFTER the contract.

a year ago he was a "swiss cheese" player. there were so many holes in his game that you didn't know where to start. he's quietly gone about plugging most of them, and the holes that remain (inability to dunk in traffic, handles, man defense) he's at least shown significant improvement.

for two seasons after this we've got a bargain basement deal on him at $4 mil/season. that's literally half what he's worth. maybe less.

I don't consider Outlaw untouchable, but he's moved up in my mind to the fourth most valuable guy on the squad (after Oden, Roy and Aldridge), about half a notch below Aldridge. and gaining.
Yep I am with you on that. I didn't sit through 4 years of pain to start seeing the light and have him go somewhere else and light it up.

How many games has he won for the team this year? Think folks!
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