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02-02-2008, 05:01 AM
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Don't overrate Harris, folks.
Didn't he crumble under the pressure against Golden State in the playoffs? He could be a good player for us but he is no flawless savior.
His dunks look cool but I want to stay with the guys we have. Great win tonight and Webster and Jack were key to the win. Don't bash Webs. He averages 10 ppg on 28 mpg. That is perfectly acceptable. He would score more if we went to him more often as we had to do in the two big games he had against Utah.
And I love the win tonight. I'd rather come back from 15 down than blow the lead like we did against Cleveland which only happened because the MVP of the league had one of the 5 best games of his career.
Go Blazers!! Monday's game is huge. It's literally a playoff game. I think we're up to it.
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02-02-2008, 05:39 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
No, he did not. He was one of the few players to play at a normal level, he was even slightly better than in the regular season. The problem was that he could not guard Baron Davis and neither could anyone on the Mavs.
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02-02-2008, 07:59 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
I agree with Zack. Harris got humiliated by Davis.
But I just see no reason to even waste time considering him. He's nothing special, he'd be our 3rd or 4th best PG, his style doesn't fit our players, he doesn't make those around him look better, (with the exception of opponents like Davis). The last thing in the world this team needs is another "pretty good" PG.
This team ain't broke, so quit trying to fix it.
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02-02-2008, 10:13 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
His assist to turnover ratio is nothing special. He averages over 2 turnovers a game and only gets 5 assts a game. That's not exactly a pure point guard.
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02-02-2008, 10:16 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
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I agree with Zack. Harris got humiliated by Davis.
But I just see no reason to even waste time considering him. He's nothing special, he'd be our 3rd or 4th best PG, his style doesn't fit our players, he doesn't make those around him look better, (with the exception of opponents like Davis). The last thing in the world this team needs is another "pretty good" PG.
This team ain't broke, so quit trying to fix it.
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Sarcasm sometimes does not translate well over message boards. So I am going to give you the benifit of believing that sarcasm was your intention. Otherwise,it's crazy to think that Harris would be our 3rd or 4th pg. Or that he is "nothing special." ~Nathan
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02-02-2008, 10:34 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
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And I love the win tonight. I'd rather come back from 15 down than blow the lead like we did against Cleveland which only happened because the MVP of the league had one of the 5 best games of his career.
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The win was great, BUT it really highlights the problems with the roster. We are trailing big time at home to the likes of the Knicks (14-32) due to poor shooting and brutal rebounding.
Right now the Blazers are too often getting bogged down in isolation plays when Roy isn't on the floor. Harris could really help with the offensive flow and ultimately the FG % of the team which has been alarmingly bad.
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02-02-2008, 11:11 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
Your underestimating Harris. Nobody in the league could have stopped Baron Davis and I could bet you everything that Harris did a better job than any of our PG's would have. Harris is better than any PG we have and he fits into the timeline of our team. Jack makes me cringe whenever I see him on the fast break, which is one of Harris's strengths
Harris > Jack + Sergio
Bass is what we need at backup PF(bruiser) so for our team at least....
Bass > Frye
A decision needs to be made about Webster and Jones (who essentially do the same thing for us) I pick Jones, with Rudy coming over next year and Oden coming back, minutes will be more scarce for some of these guys, we need to consolidate and Webster is going to want more money than he is worth. Jones is the guy I keep (locker room leader, best 3PT % shooter in the league, great FT% shooter). Yes Webster is probably going to be good, just most likely not with us seeing as how he would be the 5th option (behind Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Outlaw, maybe even Fernandez)
Fazekas is a decent prospect in the d leagues
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02-02-2008, 11:15 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
To me it is not a question of whether or not Harris could help the Blazers. I think he would. The question of course is how much is too much to give up for him. I don't think it is an easy decision either way. Because of that I would rather error on the side of caution. I don't want us to rush into moving Webster/Outlaw. I understand that Harris won't be available later on but other point guards similar to his talent will be. Especially with the amount of young talent we wil have to use as bait.
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02-02-2008, 11:31 AM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
I would make this trade in a heartbeat. We would add a 48% shooter, good defender, and a guy with playoff experience, 14+ point scorer tall point guard.
We would give up two backup point guards and a back up PF. Sergio has some upside but he plays no defense and can't shot. He would be eaten alive in the playoff.
Bass would be a good bruising/rebounding guy off the bench. Fazekas would be cut 5 minutes after the trade.
This is not about how many rather quality. Harris is better than any of our guys we give up. Getting a back up PG to play 5 minutes are not that hard.
Plus, he is 6’3” and from Wisconsin. Just like my favorite Blazers, Terry Porter. We had good luck with Wisconsin PG’s in the past.
Terry Porter's #'s in year 3:
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG T O PF PPG
87-88 POR 82 82 36.5 .519 .348 .846 .80 3.80 4.60 10.1 1.83 .20 2.98 2.50 14.9
Devon Harris:
Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO
2007-08 DAL 39 30:23 4.8 9.9 48.3 0.6 1.8 35.7 4.1 5.0 82.1 0.4 1.9 2.3 5.3 2.4
Stl Blk PF PPG
1.4 0.1 3.3 14.4
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02-02-2008, 03:29 PM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
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Originally Posted by MARIS61
I agree with Zack. Harris got humiliated by Davis.
But I just see no reason to even waste time considering him. He's nothing special, he'd be our 3rd or 4th best PG, his style doesn't fit our players, he doesn't make those around him look better, (with the exception of opponents like Davis). The last thing in the world this team needs is another "pretty good" PG.
This team ain't broke, so quit trying to fix it.
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wow are you serious? some posts never cease to amaze me...harris would be the best pg we had since......before the jailblazers era
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02-02-2008, 06:10 PM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
Harris' PER = 18.66
For reference, Roy's is only a bit better at 19.92. Aldridge's is 18.02.
For more reference, Harris is right on the heels of Deron Williams and Tony Parker and ahead of Jason Terry, Jordan Farmar/Derek Fisher, either of Sacremento's PG's, and Arenas and Kidd.
There are certain concerns with trading for Harris. For one, he's hurt right now and I'm not even sure if you can trade injured players. In addition, the chemistry on our team is very good. Our rotation is set extremely well. Any trade will disturb this, obviously. Additionally, he's only 6'3 so he and Roy would be a relatively small lineup. And who wants to trade any of our players now? Webster's only 21 (recently) and still has plenty of time to develop in to a great scorer. Frye has provided quality minutes off the bench. Jack (although seemingly hated here) has a great role on our team and has helped us win a lot of games this year (including last night's). Nobody likes to give up draft picks, either.
But Harris is probably the best player in the proposed 3-way trade... including Jason Kidd. He's only 24. He's an excellent defender, one of the top players at his position in steals, blocks, and offensive fouls drawn. He's an 82% FT shooter, a 48% FG shooter, and has improved his 3-PT FG% 8% this year up to a respectable 36%. He's relatively cheap and owning his rights means that we could resign him easier than if he were a free agent. He'd instantly be the best point guard on our team, and could effectively fill the roll of either PG distributor or SG penetrator when Roy handles the 1 duties.
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02-02-2008, 06:22 PM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
Harris is always going to be better than both Jack and Sergio. Not to mention neither PG we have at this time will be on this team in 2 years except for maybe Blake and Harris is the perfect fit for this team. The thing is the Blazers team is vary unique becouse the team is not going to have to rely on a true PG with Roy and if we get Harris. They are both point shooting gaurds if you will. 
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02-02-2008, 06:28 PM
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Re: Don't overrate Harris, folks.
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Originally Posted by ZackAddy
Didn't he crumble under the pressure against Golden State in the playoffs? He could be a good player for us but he is no flawless savior.
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Outlaw, Webster, Jack, Rodriguez, Frye...these players are even less "saviours" and all of them are much more flawed. It's great that they are having surprisingly decent-to-strong seasons, but prior to this season, many people would have been happy to jettison Frye, Outlaw, Webster. This season means something, but it doesn't suddenly make any of them untouchable.
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Don't bash Webs. He averages 10 ppg on 28 mpg. That is perfectly acceptable.
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Plenty of things are "acceptable." The question isn't whether a player is acceptable, but whether he can be upgraded into a player who is even more acceptable.
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He would score more if we went to him more often
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I think you have causation quite reversed. If he could score more, the team would go to him more. Or rather, if he could score more proficiently, the team would go to him more. I suppose any NBA player could score more if they got more touches and shots...but not necessarily at an effective percentage.
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