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darkhelmit54 · 02-03-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by taterz

Agreed, especially afer we just invested 4 years into his developement. It would be JO all over again. I think the same thing with Martell though, I would be disapointed if we traded either.

Hopefully Devin Harris would do a lot more for us long term than Dale Davis did. DD was just a match up for Shaq that we thought would be tough, that was it. Harris would compliment the entire starting lineup very well by excelling on defense, the break, and moving w/o the ball, it'll be hard to find another player like him to compliment Roy otherwise.

**BBert** · 02-03-2008, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chairman

The only dilema I would have as GM is choosing beetween Webster, Jones,and Frye.

Personally, I value both Travis and Martell above both Jones and Frye. With Oden coming in next year, if Travis is still here Frye (and Jones if Travis is pushed to SF) will be even less important. I do think Pritchard likes Frye, but I feel like the team would be better off with a guy like Bass as a backup PF next year. I'd happily give up Jack, Jones, Frye and a draft pick for Harris and Bass (I know, not that pipe dream again...

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As for Rudy, Travis' future with our team has nothing to do with Rudy He's a quick ball-handling SG. And the guy is just tearing it up! It will awesome to have Rudy and Sergio on the court at the same time, and I think he'll also thrive on the court sharing ball handling and shooting with Roy.

Next year we add Oden plus Rudy, who would be like a top 5 draft pick this summer.

Man, life is good.

MARIS61 · 02-03-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ABM

Is Travis' name being bandied about in all these recent trades rumors because management is so ga-ga over Rudy (which, indeed, they are), coupled with Travis fine play, that..........in the end game, long-term overall team quality being King, this is the most prudent and/or cost-effective thing to do at this time?

Or, with Rudy being a 2 while Travis is a 3/4, it would make this question on my part rather moot?

I do know the team needs to pare down the roster. I would think if the above were true about Rudy, then we'd be hearing Martell's name in the mix a bit more often.

For whatever stinkin' reason, I still ask myself if Travis is the real McCoy or simply fools gold, though.

In no particular order, Real McCoy, Moot, and I have never understood the idea that ANY team needs or wishes to pare down the roster.

Every team has always pretty much carried the maximum allowed, and many have found creative ways to exceed it at times. The only paring that makes sense is swapping un-useables or non-usables (Miles, LaFrench,) for players you might use, which is really not paring.

ABM · 02-03-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

I have never understood the idea that ANY team needs or wishes to pare down the roster....The only paring that makes sense is swapping un-useables or non-usables (Miles, LaFrench,) for players you might use, which is really not paring.

OK, I misspoke. What i should have said was......make room for Rudy.

Without that happening, I see a "potential" for chemistry issues. i.e. the beginnings of having too many good players at any given position. Whitsitt was King of stockpiling. In the end, that didn't work.

This year, I don't see that as an issue. Eventually, though, we do need to see someone(s) to step up. They'll need pleny of opportunities to play in order for that to happen, though.

Rudy will become an x-factor.

GOD · 02-03-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MARIS61

In no particular order, Real McCoy, Moot, and I have never understood the idea that ANY team needs or wishes to pare down the roster.

Every team has always pretty much carried the maximum allowed, and many have found creative ways to exceed it at times. The only paring that makes sense is swapping un-useables or non-usables (Miles, LaFrench,) for players you might use, which is really not paring.

I think the idea of paring down is not a matter of just shipping out talent, it's reorganizing talent so you have more talent on the floor at one time. Trading two players that are decent for one player that is good, allows more talent on the floor more often. The other reason for paring down, which I don't see the Blazers doing, is to make sure you have talent inflow for the future, trading decent players for picks or youth that may turn into good players in the future. But as far as the Blazers are concerned, the Idea is to get one starting PG that is more talented than several of the reserves.

As far as the thread topic, I don't see much connection between Rudy and Outlaw. I think that Outlaw will be less needed in the future as Oden comes in and Roy becomes even better. Rudy will help, and will add another one on one player, but I don't see that as a conflict with Outlaw.

However, we can only get quality coming in if we are trading players that other teams want. Outlaw has the 4th highest value on the Blazers and considering his youth, health and contract, is very valuable for teams looking to rebuild. More so than Webster. Outlaw is coveted by many teams in the league. And with Oden and Rudy coming in next year Outlaw would have fewer touches, and his value may dip. So there is a chance that KP is looking at trading Outlaw now because at this moment, his value is sky hi. Websters is not. Webster is a decent player with potential, but who knows if he will ever be the player that Outlaw is right now. I am sure that KP would rather trade Webster than Outlaw, but that might not matter because Webster will not bring back the top quality player that Outlaw could.

**KingSpeed** · 02-03-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by alext42083

Yes, it makes the question a moot point.
The team does need to cut the roster a bit, but Travis is not the guy you want to be giving up now. He's finally figured it out and whatever clicked since the Memphis game in his head, he believes in himself now.

Teams want Travis now, and it has nothing to do with Rudy.

Game after game, I get more impressed with Travis' play and become an even bigger fan of his. He's the real deal IMO.

Thank you. In the 4th, he seems to be oblivious to pressure, like he's in his own private world. He's also a really nice guy as far as I can tell.

**KingSpeed** · 02-03-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Resume

Oh thanks for the insight and dictionary definition... you smart 4ss.
Oh, and don't forget... THIS IS A DISCUSSION FORUM. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

Anyhow... I think we need to keep Outlaw #1 reason for his clutch late in games. That alone makes him more valuable then Martell and James.

Thank you.

**KingSpeed** · 02-03-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldmember

He's fast becoming one of the most clutch players in Blazer history. Even if Martell becomes a 25 PPG player and Travis stays at 15, I would still rather have Travis. The kid has ice water in his veins. You can't teach that.

Who would you rather have taking a shot with the game on the line, Michael Redd, or Robert Horry with 10 times the athleticism?

Thank you.

ABM · 02-03-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GOD

I think the idea of paring down is not a matter of just shipping out talent, it's reorganizing talent so you have more talent on the floor at one time. Trading two players that are decent for one player that is good, allows more talent on the floor more often. The other reason for paring down, which I don't see the Blazers doing, is to make sure you have talent inflow for the future, trading decent players for picks or youth that may turn into good players in the future. But as far as the Blazers are concerned, the Idea is to get one starting PG that is more talented than several of the reserves.

As far as the thread topic, I don't see much connection between Rudy and Outlaw. I think that Outlaw will be less needed in the future as Oden comes in and Roy becomes even better. Rudy will help, and will add another one on one player, but I don't see that as a conflict with Outlaw.

However, we can only get quality coming in if we are trading players that other teams want. Outlaw has the 4th highest value on the Blazers and considering his youth, health and contract, is very valuable for teams looking to rebuild. More so than Webster. Outlaw is coveted by many teams in the league. And with Oden and Rudy coming in next year Outlaw would have fewer touches, and his value may dip. So there is a chance that KP is looking at trading Outlaw now because at this moment, his value is sky hi. Websters is not. Webster is a decent player with potential, but who knows if he will ever be the player that Outlaw is right now. I am sure that KP would rather trade Webster than Outlaw, but that might not matter because Webster will not bring back the top quality player that Outlaw could.

Very well stated.

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