PapaG

That can't happen according to the CBA. I was talking about the bogus trade involving Bass and Harris to Portland for some bench players from the Blazers to the Mavs.

I don't believe this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it happening and I doubt Pritchard has really even discussed it.

As for the NJ deal, why in the world would NJ not expect Harris in return? They want Outlaw over Devin Harris after trading away Kidd?

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MrJayremmie

^ that was what the first 2 trade talks, as reported were.

first one was like Outlaw, Jack, LaFrentz, and our pick for Harris. Dallas got Kidd, and NJ got the rest, with a pick from each dallas and Portland.

The second one was like Jack, Frye, Webster for Bass and Harris to portland. Dallas gets kidd, and NJ got the rest.

and why are you asking my why NJ would take that? do you want me to call up their front office and ask them what they were thinking? the NJ paper is what reported the Outlaw one... chill dude.

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Showtime87

Yeah, the guy is an idiot. What was he thinking trading Randy Foye for Brandon Roy?

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PapaG

I am "chill". I just don't understand why NJ would trade Kidd and get Travis Outlaw back as the best player in return when getting Devin Harris to replace Kidd is an option. The 3-way trade made no sense.

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Boob-No-More

How do you know that? Do you know specifically WHAT NJ was demanding from us in the Kidd to Dallas Harris to Portland deal? No, you don't. There have been several RUMORED deals. Are any of them true? Who knows. KP does, that's who and he didn't bite on any of them. Assuming any of them were actually offered and not just rampant media speculation, HE obviously thought the price was too high. It wasn't one of the rumors, but what if NJ had wanted Aldridge, Outlaw and our 2008 1st round pick (plus filler to make the salaries match). Would that have been mortgaging our future? Whatever was wanted in return (if anything was actually even on the table) was too much for Harris in KP's opinion - the only one that matters.

Call it a strawman if you wish (like a strawman is somehow a weaker argument than an unverified rumor), but my point was the Blazers are not desperate to make a trade, but some posters here think they NEED to make a move as a response to the the Lakers, Phoenix and Dallas landing big name players and getting better THIS year. Some people here seem to want to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade (or just because they dislike a certain player). KP has a plan. Things right now are ahead of schedule, but I'm sure if he is offered a trade that fits the plan and benefits the team long term he'll be all over it. Obviously, such a trade has not been offered or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Actually, the Devin Harris trade RUMOR is another thought entirely. Your whole argument against my points is based on the ASSUMPTION that the Blazers were offered Harris in some no-brainer deal. Since we don't know that he was even offered, let alone what the proposed deal allegedly was, that also sounds a lot like a strawman to me.

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Boob-No-More

BTW, my original post had NOTHING to do with the Harris trade RUMOR. It was simply a counter argument against the sentiment by many in this forum that KP is not getting the job done because he hasn't made a trade in the last two weeks and is therefore, no Trader Bob (like that's a bad thing).

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MrJayremmie

I'm with ya man, and i agree, i'm just saying those trades were from NJ. Also, a 1st round pick, and Outlaw (a guy they really want, because of his upside) might be more appealing than Harris because they have Williams. We will see.

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MrJayremmie

also expiring deals, and i'm sure they would be interested in a guy like Jack, and maybe a guy like Sergio because he has shown sparks of brilliance.

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deanwoof

what do the last 2 pages have to do with whitsitt? calm down guys, its just a game.

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Boob-No-More

Somewhere buried in one of my posts I tried to make the point (evidently not very successfully) that KP is NOT Whitsitt and that's a good thing.

Whitsitt was very impatient and was always tinkering with the roster - even when things didn't need fixing. Anybody remember when he brought Detlef Schrempf back out of retirement and Rod Strickland back to Portland late in the 2000-2001 season. The roster was already 2 - 3 players deep at every position. There were guys buried on the bench that had been starters most of their careers, and he added two more veterans that expected to get minutes to a rotation that was already bursting at the seams. Prior to signing Rod, the Blazers had the best record in the west (42-18). They hadn't lost more than 2 games in a row all season. They promptly lost 5 in a row, went 8-14 the rest of the season and dropped all the way from the first seed to the 7th seed in the Western Conference. People refer to the Zach trade as addition by subtraction. In the case of the Schrempf and Stickland signings in 2001, it was subtraction by addition.

Obviously the situation is different now. We have a very young team with many player not even close to reaching their full potential. Patience is the best approach at this point in time. The Whitsitt "Trader Bob" style is absolutely the WRONG approach for this team at this time. That's why I'm glad we have Kevin Pritchard as our current GM and not Bob Whitsitt. So no, KP is NOT Trader Bob - and I'm glad he's not.

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Minstrel

I don't think Masbee's argument depended at all on the Harris deal being lopsided in favour of Portland. All he was saying was that the big trade Portland was linked to (allegedly) can't be characterized as the type you are saying the Blazers should be avoiding; that is, a "win now" move. Devin Harris, a player who is currently not even playing and who has tons of future value, would be a move looking ahead to a future window of contention.

Just because Portland is a young team that is building toward a title contender doesn't mean that they should be sitting out trades, as you implied when you said "The only reason to make a trade right now is because it's fashionable." That is not the only reason. Another reason is because smart trades are part of building towards a title contention window.

Was the Harris deal smart? Maybe not. But the reason to turn it down would be because it was a poor deal, not because Portland "isn't desperate to win now." They're not desperate to win now, we agree on that, but trades can still be wise.

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Boob-No-More

And as I said previously, I was not referring to the Harris non-trade in my original post. It wasn't mentioned in my post and it wasn't mentioned in the OP's post. I was referring to the knee jerk reaction by many fans that the Blazers NEED to make a trade to keep up with the top teams in the west who have pulled off big trades in the last two weeks. Again, I said nothing about Harris and wasn't even thinking of him when I wrote my post. My original post was only about the Whitsitt "Trader Bob" mentality vs. the more patient approach Kevin Pritchard is currently taking, and had nothing to with the Devin Harris rumors/non-trade.