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03-12-2008, 02:55 PM
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Martell Webster.....ugh.......
i know that i am a known webster hater on this board but i have some stuff that i have to say because its been bothering me.
as much as i dont think he deserves playing time over others i still root for him because he is a blazer and i still have some hope the kid improves
but please do not be fooled because he is all of a sudden pulling down rebounds and putting up stats. this kid is still the headcase that we knew from years past not ready for the NBA. EVERY SINGLE SHOT he takes is WIDE OPEN and he makes 40%!?!?! (i think this is a big part of his mental blocks)
he is a SHOOTER! and he shoots 40% when no one is in front of him? really?
even free throws he should be 85% plus he shoots 73% thats worse than LA for crying out loud!
i know there are areas where you improve as you mature and learn more about the game as you get older and i know he is a kid, BUT how hard is it to learn how to make a WIDE OPEN SHOT!?!?!
am i the only one who has this problem with him?
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03-12-2008, 02:57 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
I don't have a problem with Martell. He is a young player learning the game still.
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03-12-2008, 02:59 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
There's nothing really special about Martell's game. Streaky shooter, mediocre defender, below average passer.
Somewhere John Nash is smiling.
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03-12-2008, 03:03 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
All of his shots that he misses, it's like he BARELY misses by an inch or two. I don't know what the deal is, it's all in his head. I'm certain if he could develop some handles and the ability to take it at will, it would solve all of his problems. Plus, many of his shots are very contested. The other teams know all he is is a shooter, so he has to run off 4-5 screens per possession just to have a chance at a shot. Of course, because he can't dribble well enough to create for himself.
That's all that needs to be said about Martell Webster.
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03-12-2008, 03:42 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
if Webster could magically bump up FG% by 5-10%, I'd have a lot more faith in him.
great shooters have absolutely no conscience and absolutely complete faith in their shot. if Reggie Miller missed 17 times, he'd take the 18th shot because he figured he was due.
it's extremely troubling to me that they high schooler we drafted to be "the shooter" demonstrates absolutely no confidence at all in his shot or even his body language.
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03-12-2008, 03:48 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
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Originally Posted by c_note
All of his shots that he misses, it's like he BARELY misses by an inch or two. I don't know what the deal is, it's all in his head. I'm certain if he could develop some handles and the ability to take it at will, it would solve all of his problems. Plus, many of his shots are very contested. The other teams know all he is is a shooter, so he has to run off 4-5 screens per possession just to have a chance at a shot. Of course, because he can't dribble well enough to create for himself.
That's all that needs to be said about Martell Webster.
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Are you serious. Watch his wide open shots, he misses by a TON. However, he ends up hitting the harder shots, so I really don't know what to do with him.
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03-12-2008, 03:51 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
Funny that this thread gets posted right after Martell has a had a string of "decent" games ... I have no idea if Martell is going to be a long term solution at SF, but I think he gets the rest of this year and at least the first half of the next to prove it.
Frankly I'm much more impressed with Martell's B-ball IQ than Travis'; he communicates on defense, he hustles, he's just got the yips when it comes to his outside shot. I do like the fact that he's been more aggressive getting to the rim lately, when his jumper isn't going down.
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03-12-2008, 06:04 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
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Originally Posted by nikolokolus
Funny that this thread gets posted right after Martell has a had a string of "decent" games ... I have no idea if Martell is going to be a long term solution at SF, but I think he gets the rest of this year and at least the first half of the next to prove it.
Frankly I'm much more impressed with Martell's B-ball IQ than Travis'; he communicates on defense, he hustles, he's just got the yips when it comes to his outside shot. I do like the fact that he's been more aggressive getting to the rim lately, when his jumper isn't going down.
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since when is help i got burned by my guy communicating
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03-12-2008, 06:16 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
when im wide open during a pickup game i'm worse it seems too. if i have a guy rushing at me i make more shots i think.
yes i just compared myself to martell webster. go me.
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03-12-2008, 06:50 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
If MArtell has another year like this next year, i highly doubt he will still be on this team.
I hope he doesn't start next year, i think he can be a good player with the 2nd unit. I'd rather have Jones starting than Martell.
Jones is a better shooter, and smarter. Martell plays good D though, and he is a hard worker. He is workin' hard out there. I think he will improve.
I think you are definitely right, that it is a mental game. I just wish he woul dhave gone to college.
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03-12-2008, 08:03 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
Martell is more efficient from the field than Travis, has stepped up his defense and started pulling down more boards, and plays a much more team oriented game than Travis.
I'd love it if as I said when we made the James Jones/Rudy trade that Jones could start and play big minutes, but his injuries this year have limited him on defense.
Unless we make a trade to bring in a small forward during the offseason, then Jones and Martell are the best choices we have at starting small forward, and I'd like to see Martell given the same time we gave some other players before we give up on him.
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03-12-2008, 08:27 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
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Originally Posted by Jayps15
Martell is more efficient from the field than Travis, has stepped up his defense and started pulling down more boards, and plays a much more team oriented game than Travis.
I'd love it if as I said when we made the James Jones/Rudy trade that Jones could start and play big minutes, but his injuries this year have limited him on defense.
Unless we make a trade to bring in a small forward during the offseason, then Jones and Martell are the best choices we have at starting small forward, and I'd like to see Martell given the same time we gave some other players before we give up on him.
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OK, theres no way to quantify things like your belief that Martell plays a "much more team oriented game" than Travis. But there is this thing called field goal percentage, and it really makes me question your belief that Martell is "more efficient from the field" than Travis.
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03-12-2008, 08:28 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
I think Martell deserves more time. He could be the next Shane Battier. He will be a better basketball player than James Jones -- at the same age. And that would be plenty. We don't need, and are not going to have, 5 all-star scorers on the team. Young players take time to develop, just like young teams. I share the concern that Martell my not have the necessary confidence or mental toughness. If KP decides he doesn't have the mind of a champion, then he'll be traded, regardless of his physical ability. He may be traded anyway, since you have to give to get, and what we do need is a quality PG. But I think Martell definitely needs and deserves more patience and time. We aren't competing for a title at the moment, so there is absolutely no reason not to give him that.
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03-12-2008, 08:54 PM
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Re: Martell Webster.....ugh.......
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Originally Posted by Mr. Chuck Taylor
OK, theres no way to quantify things like your belief that Martell plays a "much more team oriented game" than Travis. But there is this thing called field goal percentage, and it really makes me question your belief that Martell is "more efficient from the field" than Travis.
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