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Drink Your Milkshake · 03-13-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Minstrel

No, but you've missed the point nicely. In comparing two players in the same sphere of ability (both would be among the top three prospects in this draft), saying that the collegian's performance in college shows him to be superior than the NBA player's performance in the NBA implies that the collegian's success is directly comparable to success in the pros...which would be true only if there were no questions about the player's ability to translate his success to the pros.

I never implied that. You're not very good with people or conversations are you? If you wanted to know why I think Beasley is better than Aldridge, the correct method would be to, you know, ASK me. Instead you just throw out whatever you can and claim that's my stance. Your imagination does not equal others stances. Just because YOU can only think that way, does not mean other people can only think that way.

This isn't math. This isn't science. There is not only one way to think. There is not only one way to come to conclusions.

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I never said you hated Aldridge. So you calling me "too accusatory" is nice irony. None of this paragraph applies to me.

Than why are you assuming it's directed at you? Guilty conscience? I never said you said I was an Aldridge hater. ONCE AGAIN YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT SIMPLY ISN'T THERE! I was just clarifying for you that I wasn't an Aldridge hater, since your posts were so accusatory in attitude. Oh there's some irony, but you've missed it entirely.

Am I going to have to continue explaining every little thing to you or can you please start thinking a little more for yourself?

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I simply disagree with some of your contentions. Of course, you've already established that, in your mind, disagreement with you is "hate." Perhaps you should calm down a little.

Wow, this is just too funny. You manage to find the exact opposite of the truth in pretty much everything.

You are a black and white thinker and have added nothing but negativity to this thread. If I no longer reply to you it's because you're on ignore.

Utherhimo · 03-13-2008, 03:54 PM

riley doesnt even have the 1st pick watch him get the 3rd or 4th pick now.....

MrJayremmie · 03-13-2008, 03:59 PM

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riley doesnt even have the 1st pick watch him get the 3rd or 4th pick now.....

that is exactly what i think. More often then not, if i'm not mistaken, the team with the worst record doesn't end up with the #1 pick.

seifer0406 · 03-13-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by STOMP

I don't know how you interpreted my post that way. LA was drafted #2 two years back... I don't think he'd slip past that spot if he were coming out of college this year and I'm pretty sure some teams would select him over Beasley. Aldridge was pretty darn impressive from the get go of his NBA career. He's changed his body sure, but his game was nice day one. What we see with him today isn't some amazing stretch from when he arrived so his real development didn't happen in the league. While he wouldn't have done the weight training he's done in Portland, he still would have filled out and gained some strenth like most every guy does from age 20 to 22.

STOMP

2006 was a weak draft. I thought that was obvious.

If he comes out this year, him being a senior would also affect his draft position because he won't have as much upside as 2 years ago. People are underrating the benefits of playing in the NBA. If a guy is lucky enough to be in a good situation playing with good players, it is much better than staying college playing against weak competition. Especially when Aldridge is playing in the Western conference, he is almost always playing against the best in the NBA.

MAS RipCity · 03-13-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Drink Your Milkshake

That depends if NBA scouts were competent enough to realize that LA's defense would not translate to the NBA, and he would actually end up being a below average defender.

LMA is a great defender. He gets around 2bpg, alters more, and doesn't need to be helped out with a double team. He locked up Dwight both times this year..and he does pretty well when he gets a smaller player on him out on the perimeter. I couldn't be more thrilled with LMA's D actually.

Nightfly · 03-13-2008, 07:51 PM

Alright, I cleaned this thread up as best I could.

Let's get back on topic now...

MrJayremmie · 03-13-2008, 08:51 PM

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LMA is a great defender. He gets around 2bpg, alters more, and doesn't need to be helped out with a double team. He locked up Dwight both times this year..and he does pretty well when he gets a smaller player on him out on the perimeter. I couldn't be more thrilled with LMA's D actually.

i agree 100% dude. I think LMA has come along much better than i ever could have thought he was going to this year. He is doin' great. Rebounding and disapearing from games are probably the 2 things i'd want him to work on, along with putting on more muscle.

**STOMP** · 03-13-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NewAgeBaller

Beasley is 6'9" in shoes with a 9'1" standing reach.

I'm calling BS because something doesn't fit. Looking at past pre-draft measurements, no one with a 6'9 w/shoes measurement and 7'0 wingspan comes close to a 9'1 standing reach. Many taller guys with much bigger wingspans don't have 9'1 standing reaches. They must have measured with shoes on and Beasley must have put on high heels. If he declares I'll be very interested to see whats what when he measures. For a quick reference check out Al Horford and Brandon Wright from this past year or feel free to dig deeper into this link. I think it's a pretty obvious blunder. Not only that but from the same measurement list that had Beasley with a 9'1 reach, they had the only other anomaly I could find in Donte Green.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...urements-2002/

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...nts/?year=2007

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He plays PF

in college... but so did Terry Porter. Combined with his lack of mass, dude is a SF in the league... good thing he's got an outside stroke because thats where he's going to have make his mark.

STOMP

GOD · 03-13-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by STOMP

I'm calling BS because something doesn't fit. Looking at past pre-draft measurements, no one with a 6'9 w/shoes measurement and 7'0 wingspan comes close to a 9'1 standing reach. Many taller guys with much bigger wingspans don't have 9'1 standing reaches. They must have measured with shoes on and Beasley must have put on high heels. If he declares I'll be very interested to see whats what when he measures. For a quick reference check out Al Horford and Brandon Wright from this past year or feel free to dig deeper into this link. I think it's a pretty obvious blunder. Not only that but from the same measurement list that had Beasley with a 9'1 reach, they had the only other anomaly I could find in Donte Green.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...urements-2002/

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...nts/?year=2007

in college... but so did Terry Porter. Combined with his lack of mass, dude is a SF in the league... good thing he's got an outside stroke because thats where he's going to have make his mark.

STOMP

I have no idea if it is true, but there are plenty of people with those measurements.

The following people all have a standing reach of 9'1"
2004 - Aurther Johnson, h w/shoe 6'8.5"
2004 - David Slmon, h w/shoe 6'9"
2003 - Ugonna Okyekwe, h w/shoe 6'8.5"
2000 - Darius Miles, h w/shoe 6'9"
2005 - Ike Diogu, 6'8"
2006 - Justin Williams, h w/shoe 6'8.75"

Mike Miller was the player with the highest standing reach for a player 6'9" or shorter. His reach is listed as a staggering 9'3.5"

Where I got the info

**STOMP** · 03-13-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GOD

I have no idea if it is true, but there are plenty of people with those measurements.

The following people all have a standing reach of 9'1"
2004 - Aurther Johnson, h w/shoe 6'8.5"
2004 - David Slmon, h w/shoe 6'9"
2003 - Ugonna Okyekwe, h w/shoe 6'8.5"
2000 - Darius Miles, h w/shoe 6'9"
2005 - Ike Diogu, 6'8"
2006 - Justin Williams, h w/shoe 6'8.75"

Mike Miller was the player with the highest standing reach for a player 6'9" or shorter. His reach is listed as a staggering 9'3.5"

Where I got the info

I started to write a concession post but then I decided to check your claim. All but one of the guys you listed had bigger wingspans then Beasley's 7'0... most were over 2" bigger. The one was Mike Miller. He had only a 6'9.5 wingspan. Stack that relatively modest measurement on top of a 6'7.5 barefoot frame and he's reaching a full inch higher then a 7' barefoot Joel Przybilla with a 7'2 wingspan???

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...draft=15&sort=

mistakes happen.

STOMP

NewAgeBaller · 03-13-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by STOMP

I'm calling BS because something doesn't fit. Looking at past pre-draft measurements, no one with a 6'9 w/shoes measurement and 7'0 wingspan comes close to a 9'1 standing reach. Many taller guys with much bigger wingspans don't have 9'1 standing reaches. They must have measured with shoes on and Beasley must have put on high heels. If he declares I'll be very interested to see whats what when he measures. For a quick reference check out Al Horford and Brandon Wright from this past year or feel free to dig deeper into this link. I think it's a pretty obvious blunder. Not only that but from the same measurement list that had Beasley with a 9'1 reach, they had the only other anomaly I could find in Donte Green.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...urements-2002/

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...nts/?year=2007

in college... but so did Terry Porter. Combined with his lack of mass, dude is a SF in the league... good thing he's got an outside stroke because thats where he's going to have make his mark.

STOMP

Well I got those measurements from Memphis_X (i think) over on the draft forum, so I'm not sure but he's not exactly a small forward or tweener really.

But I don't disagree with you, he might end up playing SF in the NBA, but I still see him as a PF (even if he does lack mass for the post).

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