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Old 03-14-2008, 10:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Just how much do you dislike Jack?

I believe his contract ends this season. Let's say the rest of the league feels the same way as many posters on this board and don't want to have anyhing to do with Jack . . . in other words he has no trade value . . . can't trade him!

If you are KP, do you:

1. offer an extended contract

2. offer that 1 year qualifying contract (don't know but guessing it's like 1.5 mil)

3. let him walk


I would offer the 1 year contract. Yes it takes up a roster spot . . . but I also think Jack has some value.
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:44 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

I think we should keep him 1 more year at least before we consider dropping him. At the very least, other teams were interested in him. We should sign him to a 1 year and see how it goes. If it goes bad, trade him.

I don't dislike him much at all. I just dislike when he steps on the out of bounds line.
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

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I believe his contract ends this season. Let's say the rest of the league feels the same way as many posters on this board and don't want to have anyhing to do with Jack . . . in other words he has no trade value . . . can't trade him!

If you are KP, do you:

1. offer an extended contract

2. offer that 1 year qualifying contract (don't know but guessing it's like 1.5 mil)

3. let him walk


I would offer the 1 year contract. Yes it takes up a roster spot . . . but I also think Jack has some value.

I completely disagree. Nate has shown that if you put a bad player on a roster, and he favors them, he will play them. That means in order to get some guys off the court, you have to get them off the team.
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

At best Jarrett Jack has proven to be nothing more than an inconsistent player that is getting consistent minutes. No reason at all to keep him for any reason.

I think there are a lot of teams that would want him though. A lot of coaches and GM's have the ego big enough to say " I can get more out of him". We can trade him (his contract doesn't need to be dealt with until next season), but for the sake of the thread, given those three options I would easily let him walk.
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Old 03-14-2008, 10:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

Jarrett's contract runs through next season and the team can make a qualifying offer and keep him for a year beyond that. My own feeling is that he'll be gone on draft day...packaged with somebody to move up in the draft or combined with this year's pick for a veteran SF or PG. I like Jarrett, but I don't see him as more than a backup combo guard.
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

As much as I dislike the guy, if we do get rid of Jack, we just need to make sure that there is some capable backup who can spell Roy for 10-15 mins a game in case Rudy doesn't pan out or isn't ready yet.

One thing I wouldn't do is extend his contract beyond what it is now. And I would bet he's got some value in this league. Until you actually see Jack every game, I bet teams value him as a nice backup combo guard whose contract is pretty cheap at $2 mil.

If I had a choice, I'd try to bring in a better, more consistent guard who would accept a reserve role and try to get the best offer you can for Jack.
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

Jarrett ticks me off because he's so inconsistent and because he turns the ball over way too much and because he seemingly can't run a fast break to save his life.

On the other hand, I like his tenacity and willingness to get into the paint. I also think we are largely a team of wimps and Jarrett's the kind of guy who would start a fight in a biker bar, and I think you need guys like that.

All in all, I think he's worn out his welcome here. Just not a strong enough point guard to take this team to the next level.

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As much as I dislike the guy, if we do get rid of Jack, we just need to make sure that there is some capable backup who can spell Roy for 10-15 mins a game in case Rudy doesn't pan out or isn't ready yet.

One thing I wouldn't do is extend his contract beyond what it is now. And I would bet he's got some value in this league. Until you actually see Jack every game, I bet teams value him as a nice backup combo guard whose contract is pretty cheap at $2 mil.

If I had a choice, I'd try to bring in a better, more consistent guard who would accept a reserve role and try to get the best offer you can for Jack.


Martell is as capable as Jack at backing up Roy. He is a SG ya know. Wafer would probably be as capable as Jack as well.
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

I like JJ. Keep him as long as we dont have someone better to take his place. He has his moments and is young, not a high celing but he'll be a good role player in the NBA.
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I mention this in some of my Jack rants, but not nearly enough. I do love the guys fire. While I like is ability to get into the paint, I dislike his decision making ability once he gets there if he doesn't have a lay up
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I completely disagree. Nate has shown that if you put a bad player on a roster, and he favors them, he will play them. That means in order to get some guys off the court, you have to get them off the team.
Hey, I was going to say that!

Trade him. I disagree with the premise of the question. As much as I dislike him on our team, I still believe he has "decent" trade value. That is the best option.

Of the options given, I guess I'd go with the qualifying offer, and if no one offers more, trade him later.
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Re: Just how much do you dislike Jack?

My feeling is that it depends on several things:

1. Does Rudy come? If he does not - we will be left with no other guard/wing that goes to the rim other than Roy. That's not a good thing. If Rudy comes over - do we trust him to be effective in his first year in the NBA? I am not in a position to make a knowledgeable decision on this - I just did not see enough of Rudy (or any other guard/wing we might draft for this purpose).

2. Is there a trade where we can upgrade a PG/SF or get a higher draft pick for someone that KP covets - and requires Jack as an outgoing piece?

My gut feeling is that Jack is a good backup SG/PG that might get better. I love that he is tough and willing to go to the rack, I love that he does not back down from people, I hate his turn-overs and I do not like him as a long-range shooter.

As I said, I am a Jack fan, if only for his attitude - but it would be foolish not to accept that he has big holes in his game. I assume that both KP and Nate have the exposure to the players and the know-how to estimate if he is as good (or bad) as he is going to get or if he has a chance to get better.

At this point, I do not think the team should be extending Jack, Webster or Frye unless the "frosting" is found via a trade/draft whatever - in order to keep the flexibility for the cap plan of '09. In other words - were I KP, If I am not sure about any of these guys and their long-term future with the team - I would not extend any of them yet. Personally, I am not sure about any of these 3, so no extensions this year even if all 3 remain (which I do not believe will happen).
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Martell is as capable as Jack at backing up Roy. He is a SG ya know. Wafer would probably be as capable as Jack as well.
Martell should be an SG, but is used mostly as a SF. He just doesn't have enough handles yet to play guard. As much as I'd like to see Webster get the guard minutes, he's rarely played 2 guard this year and has always been on the floor with two guards.
And as for Wafer, I doubt he's going to be kept around after this season.
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Martell is as capable as Jack at backing up Roy. He is a SG ya know. Wafer would probably be as capable as Jack as well.
Martell can not take the ball and penetrate to the rim - the guy can not change direction while dribbling, he just can not - so while he is a warm body that can be put in the game to spell Roy - so is Raef... - I just do not know if this is something that can really happen unless Webster can actually change direction while dribbling the ball. It is not something I have seen from here so far.

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