Hector

Kemp may be unemployed, but he's a very rich man. Whitsitt talked him into giving $20M back to Paul Allen without batting an eyelash, which should get your respect for both.

Boob-No-More

Sure it is. We all know how popular Ron Artest and Bruce Bowen are.

Yeah, it's not like Artest and Bowen have never gotten any negative press. They're both absolute angels, aren't they.

When you're good enough to earn the coaches respect, you make the team PERIOD. No phony baloney excuses needed.

BNM

crandc

Please, please, please. Haven't we ALL said the same things about Sheed many many times already?

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PapaG

Rasheed really showed leadership when he threw the towel in Sabas' face on national TV.

Looking back, I wish Sabas would have decked Rasheed, but then again, Sabas had class.

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BealzeeBob

I'm wondering how a "fair and balanced" article on Wallace would overlook him roughing up his girlfriend in 1996. I've always been amazed that female fans give him a pass on this.

http://www.wizznutzz.com/rapsheet.html

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PapaG

He only averaged 17.9 ppg for the 16 game play-offs that year.

http://www.databasebasketball.com/pl...lkid=wallara01

I don't believe he averaged 30 ppg for the 7 game series, especially considering he got himself ejected from Game 1.

On a related note, here is the list of "similar players" to Wallace in terms of statistics.

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...it's largely an anonymous bunch. After the 21-year-old Webster torched the Jazz for 24 third-quarter points on Jan. 5, Utah reserve Matt Harpring observed, "It was tough when what's-his-face got hot."

wizmentor

I'm not a female fan, so I wouldn't know. The links on the website you link are broken.
It does not say Wallace was convicted, it says he was charged. Interestingly, almost
half of the links on the "rapsheet" do not involve the law.

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Shaq: Hey Thorpe, I'm getting sized for a thumb ring
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Hector

Posters who bring up the towel incident year after year are ignorant of the context. Sabonis had given Sheed a black eye days earlier in an identical incident. Sheed had told him to stop and Sabonis did it again. A "small, white towel" didn't hurt but made the point. Sabonis didn't do it again. Good for Sheed.

Hector

April 2000: "I've never been thrown out of a playoff game and I never will get thrown out of a playoff game."

Feb. 2001: "Rasheed Wallace set the league record with his 33rd and 34th technical fouls of the year, and the Blazers are worried that he'll lose it during a playoff game."

That's from the same site. Did he ever get ejected from a playoff game?

Minstrel

Yes, you are. I just described your multiple attempts to mischaracterize my argument and your response "I'm not mischaracterizing anything" and repeating your strawman. My claim was never that Wallace "carried the load" or "stepped up in big games" or any other such thing. My claim was that there was n evidence that he "didn't want to be a star." I mistakenly remembered that he did carry the team more than he actually did in the 2000 WCF, but that was meant as a counter-example, not as evidence of a larger point. I'm perfectly happy to withdraw that counter-example and still maintain that there's no evidence that he "didn't want to be a star."

If you still can't understand my point, or purposely choose to pretend I'm arguing something else, there's no point discussing it further.

You're not the only one who doesn't share it. But I'm not the only one who does. The majority opinion from others fans and media is that Wallace has been an exemplary defender and was a huge part of Detroit being a defensive monster. This jibes with my own observation.

All-Defense is a perfectly fine thing to reference, but it is far from conclusive to me. Selecting players for the All-Defense team are far, far from coaches' primary duties and I doubt they spend a ton of time researching it. If they're just going by their own observations, they're using very small sample sizes...a few games a year against their teams. Some of their choices simply don't make sense; going by All-Defense selections, Kobe Bryant would be one of the greatest defenders in NBA history. Very few people actually believe Bryant, for all his strengths, is one of the truly great defenders of all-time.

Considering his average over that four-season span (1999-2002/03) was a 19.2 PER, your framing his numbers that way is quite deceptive. A 19.2 PER average over those years is exactly what I said: near a 20.0 PER average. A 20.0 PER is star-level. Based purely on PER, yes, I'd agree he was a "marginal star." However, considering I (and plenty of others) feel Wallace played great defense (the majority of which is not factored into PER), that much more than makes up for the fractional amount that his average is below 20.0.

Immaterial to me. I'm simply explaining where my opinion comes from, for those that care.

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You'll never do what common people do
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And dance and drink and screw
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Boob-No-More

Sure he has. I can think of two off the top of my head: Game 1 of the 2000 WCF against the Lakers and Game 6 against Cleveland. There may have been more in between, it's really too hard to keep track of all his temper tantrums and it's not important enough to spend any time looking up.

He was also ejected from the McDonald's High School All American game. I'm not sure, but he may be the only player to hold that "honor".

BNM

BealzeeBob

The arrangement he made with the court was that he would do the community service and counseling before he went to trial on the charge. The fact that he agreed to perform community service and attend anger management isn't enough evidence that he did it?

Most of the links are broken because it happened a long time ago....but it DID happen. Btw, I didn't say you are a female, but there certainly is at least one female Wallace fan that gives him a pass, when they are quick to bash other posters if they are demeaning for condescending toward women.

As you noted, not all of the things listed have to do with the law. BUT....the I-5 Hummer incident would seem to fall into the 'involve the law' category (even though I don't really care about that.) Threatening the ref on the loading dock should have fallen into that category, and even though it didn't, he was suspended for seven games...which was appropriate, IMO. The second assault charged filed by his girlfriend, two months after the first charge, seemed phoney to me, so I didn't bring it up....but it surely involved the law.

As far as Wallace's defensive ability, I'd have to admit that he was one of the best, IMO. And I doubt that anyone dislikes him more than I do.

Go Blazers

alext42083

Speaking of Sheed.. another hilarious outtake from the man himself between him and referee Jim Clark, and love Ryan Gomes' reaction to all of it.

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