Dornado

Uhhh... not everything is meant to be taken literally...

Or were you joking?

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dkap

They don't have to be related to be a [injury] track record... People that are susceptible to injury get them everywhere, often with no obvious connection.

That's merely a different track record. Doesn't mean the other kind isn't.

He hasn't been quite the same player since, either. Those injuries took a fairly big toll on his mobility, and that's a bad thing for a big man.

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whatsmyname

They said during the game that Greg's knee still hurts when he runs. Am I the only one worried about this? Are you still suppose to have pain after 8 months?

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Really? I'm surprised that this hasn't been reported before this.

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Masbee

It was major foot surgery, til that time foot surgeries never worked for NBA players, and many were saying he would likely never play again.

You can worry about Oden's "track record" if you like. I will wait to worry until after evidence indicates something actually worth worrying about.

dkap

Never playing again and never playing at full strength leaves a lot in between... If Oden's recovery fits into the Big Z framework, will we be happy with his career? Both were thought to be career ending injuries not that long ago...

Missing most of the past two seasons doesn't point to anything to worry about? You're quite the optimist.

To add to the point about injury track records... Consider the extreme analogy of HIV. It doesn't necessarily cause the same ailments to strike repeatedly, rather it breaks down the immune system and allows multiple problems to arise.

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Talkhard

I hope you're kidding. Please tell me you are.

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Masbee

How do you do this?

Z was in astonishing pain and could hardly walk, let alone play ball. There is NOT a good track record, even now, with major foot surgery.

Oden had a minor form of microfracture surgery, precisely becuase there now is a very, very good track record for this type of procedure working well, most especially when done early before the damaged area grows larger.

In the past, Oden wouldn't have had the surgery at all, would have played through it, and had a probably limited career due to chronic knee issues. Oden's knee was not bad enough yet that he would have never played in the NBA. Don't know why you are implying that. It is quite possible he would have been awesome as a rookie, bad knee and all, and could have played at a high level for several years before the knee damage spread and the swelling and pain could no longer be managed. Lots and lots of NBA players used to play for years on bad knees.

The situations between Z's busted up feet and high-risk surgery and Oden's minor knee damage and low-risk surgery (but time consuming rehab) are not similar. I just brought up Z to point out that even a guy who appears to be "done" may not be, especially when they are over 7 feet tall. Similarly, even a guy who goes under the knife isn't doomed to be awful. Amare with worse knee damage, who came back too soon, is looking pretty fine right now.

dkap

Keep in mind, I never said Oden's issues would be career threatening, or even implied anything of the sort. You brought up the Ilgauskus comparison... My point from the start was that Oden has a rather alarming injury history for someone of his age. Regardless of how serious each one may or may not be, the sum total is no less concerning than the issues Z faced.

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Masbee

I just don't see it your way.

Maybe you are a glass half-empty person. I don't know.

Am I concerned? Sure.

Am I "alarmed" at his "history"? No. Not at this time, with what the facts we know.

dkap

Not in this instance, no. I'm actually quite hopeful that Oden will have a great career. However, I'm also very tuned into injuries, due to my checkered history as athlete and coach (much more so than most coaches, as anyone who has worked with me will tell you), and a history like Oden's raises all sorts of red flags.

Dan