View Poll Results: Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Yes
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Maybe
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I would change up a couple things (Will specify)
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04-20-2008, 12:41 PM
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#16 (permalink)
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
I'm surprised so many people here said no. Calderon was a borderline All Star this season, with incredible efficiency. 50%FG, 40% from 3, and 90% from the line is a feat done by only a select few PGs ever. In the month of April, he had an incredible 66:1 assist/turnover ratio through 10 games. Dude's got experience but is still young enough to be part of our core for a while at age 27.
I don't see Jack becoming anything more than a mediocre combo guard, and Travis as anything more than an average starter. Considering what we'd be getting back in JC, I take this deal and run, while Toronto would probably scoff at the offer.
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04-20-2008, 12:51 PM
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#17 (permalink)
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Originally Posted by RoyToy
I wouldn't give up either by themselves for Calderon. No. No. No.
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No offense, but are you insane?
You wouldn't give up a poor shooting combo guard for a pure point guard who is top 5 in assists, is a tremendous shooter and is a comparable defender? Wow. I just...wow.
Calderon is an IMMENSE upgrade over Jarrett Jack. I can understand a debate over trading Outlaw + Jack...but there's no debate over trading Jack for Calderon. That just doesn't make any sense at all. Calderon is a FAR superior player. Every GM in the league would make that trade.
Personally, I'd trade Jack and Outlaw for Calderon in a heartbeat, and I'd probably add more if they demanded it.
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04-20-2008, 12:55 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Originally Posted by yuyuza1
I don't see Jack becoming anything more than a mediocre combo guard, and Travis as anything more than an average starter. Considering what we'd be getting back in JC, I take this deal and run, while Toronto would probably scoff at the offer.
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I agree that he's a massive upgrade, but I disagree that they'd scoff at it. Jack is a capable backup. Outlaw has a lot of potential and gives them solid depth and increased athleticism. Ford has been given the big contract and Calderon is a free agent. I think that deal is at least CLOSE to one that could be fair to both teams. Personally, I think we'd have to add more...but not a TON more.
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04-20-2008, 01:08 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
This just shows how many Blazer fans are on heroin when they do these polls.
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04-20-2008, 01:28 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Originally Posted by Fork
No offense, but are you insane?
You wouldn't give up a poor shooting combo guard for a pure point guard who is top 5 in assists, is a tremendous shooter and is a comparable defender? Wow. I just...wow.
Calderon is an IMMENSE upgrade over Jarrett Jack. I can understand a debate over trading Outlaw + Jack...but there's no debate over trading Jack for Calderon. That just doesn't make any sense at all. Calderon is a FAR superior player. Every GM in the league would make that trade.
Personally, I'd trade Jack and Outlaw for Calderon in a heartbeat, and I'd probably add more if they demanded it.
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My bad, I was thinking Webster or Outlaw. I definitely wouldn't trade either of them for Calderon.
As far as trading Jarrett for Calderon, yeah it'd be a good trade for us, bot not only would the Raptors not do it, I don't really want Calderon anyways. A Rajon Rondo/Derek Fisher type PG is what this team needs. A PG that plays tough defense and can get to the rim/hit open shots. I don't want Paul going off on us like he did to Dallas.
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04-20-2008, 02:24 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
I would try to have it be Webster first, but if they insisted on Outlaw, I would still do it.
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04-20-2008, 02:58 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
So Ford and Calderon went 4 for 20 today and held Jameer Nelson and Keyon Dooling to 11-21. Maybe we should throw in next years #1 too.
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04-20-2008, 03:10 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
It's no secret guards dominate Toronto. Little/ not great defenders.
Calderon's nice but IMO isn't the PG this team needs to win a championship. DEFENSE. Guard penetration on the Blazers is already pretty bad, Calderon won't help it at all.
This is why Russell Westbrook is a perfect fit. Great defense, gets to the hoop at will, not the greatest shooter but not bad either. Shooting can be improved.
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04-20-2008, 06:11 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
Yes I would. Also if you think about it Calderon has alot of value in him and it's not just becouse of his play or the strides he has taken. It's also becouse TJ Ford is on the team and everyone knows the Rapters would rather trade TJ Ford and keep Calderon. Thats something I don't think alot of people realize or they just forget. The Rapters are always going to find takers for TJ Ford so if you really want Calderon it's just going to be that much more. 
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04-20-2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Originally Posted by Sonny-Canzano
Calderon is going to get a nice contract. The way he has progressed he deserves it.
However, I don't want to make any moves that will hinder our attempt at Chris Paul in the summer of 2009.
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I thought Paul didn't become a UFA until 2010?
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04-20-2008, 10:37 PM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
Heck yes I'd give up Jack and Outlaw for Calderon, mostly because I don't think Jack or Outlaw will ever be more than bench players. I have some concerns with Calderon but I believe he projects much better long term in the NBA.
There are a lot of good PG options available this summer, should be exciting!
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04-21-2008, 05:48 AM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Originally Posted by chairman
So Ford and Calderon went 4 for 20 today and held Jameer Nelson and Keyon Dooling to 11-21. Maybe we should throw in next years #1 too.
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one game doesnt make a player hahaha
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04-21-2008, 05:50 AM
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
i woudl give them up...there obviously would be a sign and trade after the draft so it might be hard to draft players for one roster then having some new pieces later
cuz if we planned on the trade after the draft does that mean we draft a pg or best available..
but i dont know...i would do it personally...calderon can only get better under nate
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04-21-2008, 05:51 AM
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