View Poll Results: Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Yes
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Maybe
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I would change up a couple things (Will specify)
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04-21-2008, 04:42 PM
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#46 (permalink)
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Star
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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**** I hate a lot of you Blazer fans. Some of you are some of the best posters on here, others are the biggest homers I've ever seen.
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You know, i agree... but.. This is a forum. Stupid trades and dumb comments are just a part of it. If you don't like the Blazer fans, then why come onto their part of the forum?
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Heres also a stat for you, suprisingly enough the league does not credit excuses as wins. So sadly, you still arent in the playoffs, even with that great "But we arent in the east, the west is tough" excuse.
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Ok bud, an excuse is different than a fact. It is a fact that if Portland was in the east, at 41-41 they would be in the playoffs.
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Realty check.
Calderon: 30.3 MPG, 11.2 PPG, 6.1 APG/1.54 TOs, FG% 519, 3P% 429, FT% 908
Blake: 29.9 MPG, 8.5 PPG, 5.1 APG/1.4 TOs, FG% 404, 3P% 381, FT% 771
Jack: 27.2 MPG, 9.9 PPG, 3.8 APG/2.17 Tos(!), FG% 443, 3p% 332, FT% 853
Calderon is no star, but he is an upgrade over what we have.
Folks need to quit overvaluing our bench players! Decent bench players aren't that hard to find. Remember, the Blazers pulled Joel and Ime off the scrape heap, and in taking Jones we were supposedly doing the Suns a favor!
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I understand what you are saying.
But from my point of view, this is what I think.
Getting rid of Outlaw, who with Rudy both coming off the bench would just be amazing... for a 27 year old PG, that is a below-average - average defender, at the price that we will have to give up to get him (more than Outlaw and Jack) just isn't worth it.
That is what I think. He won't be able to stick with Paul and Williams in the playoffs.
I see it both ways, but that is my thought on the matter. I hope we don't make big trades at all.
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04-21-2008, 04:50 PM
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#47 (permalink)
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My Life Is Awesome
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
Jesus. Wont be able to stick with Paul or Williams in the playoffs? As compared to all the other guys you're able to pick up who could? Paul and Williams are in a league of their own when it comes to young PG's.
And saying if Portland was in the east such and such would happen is not fact. They arent in the east, they're in the west, thats the fact.
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04-21-2008, 05:08 PM
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#48 (permalink)
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Jesus. Wont be able to stick with Paul or Williams in the playoffs? As compared to all the other guys you're able to pick up who could? Paul and Williams are in a league of their own when it comes to young PG's.
And saying if Portland was in the east such and such would happen is not fact. They arent in the east, they're in the west, thats the fact.
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You're right. Toronto's 41/41 is better than the Blazer's 41/41. Isn't there a hockey game you should be watching?
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04-21-2008, 05:24 PM
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#49 (permalink)
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My Life Is Awesome
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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You're right. Toronto's 41/41 is better than the Blazer's 41/41. Isn't there a hockey game you should be watching?
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Hillarious. Glad to see "Arent you watch hockey, eh?" is your response. I can see Im battling with a top notch, very intelligent poster.
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04-21-2008, 05:28 PM
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#50 (permalink)
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All-Star
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
I am so glad that folks here want to judge the Yes or No decision on a trade based upon the results from a single game. That is always the bright thing to do....
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04-21-2008, 05:54 PM
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#51 (permalink)
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
Jose would thrive in Portland. He has a knack for finding open shooters and we have shooters: Roy can shoot, Outlaw/Webster/Jones can shoot, LaMarcus/Frye can shoot, Oden can even shoot. Creating, Calderon is the most efficient PG in the NBA.
The downside to Jose is his defense. PG's constantly blow by him at will. I fear what a Chris Paul or Deron Williams would do to him in the playoffs.
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04-21-2008, 06:49 PM
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#52 (permalink)
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All-Star
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Originally Posted by MAS RipCity
Mark my words. Jarrett Jack will end up with the better career than Jose Calderon.
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Oh my god..
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04-21-2008, 07:01 PM
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#53 (permalink)
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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I am so glad that folks here want to judge the Yes or No decision on a trade based upon the results from a single game. That is always the bright thing to do....
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Sorry Hasoos for not being as bright as you, but I don't really think anyone was doing that. Personally I was just joking about throwing in an extra draft pick based on their awesome performance that happened to coincide with the posts on the very subject. I thought the timing was funnny. Apparently it wasn't that funny to you and your bright little buddy.
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04-21-2008, 07:15 PM
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Grumpy Pragmatist
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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I haven't checked all the stats you listed here, but I know that Blake shot 41% from 3s...
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Aaaargh!
You are correct. the numbers for Blake should be 408/406/766. 
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04-21-2008, 08:17 PM
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#55 (permalink)
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
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Realty check.
Calderon: 30.3 MPG, 11.2 PPG, 6.1 APG/1.54 TOs, FG% 519, 3P% 429, FT% 908
Blake: 29.9 MPG, 8.5 PPG, 5.1 APG/1.4 TOs, FG% 404, 3P% 381, FT% 771
Jack: 27.2 MPG, 9.9 PPG, 3.8 APG/2.17 Tos(!), FG% 443, 3p% 332, FT% 853
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jose averaged 8.3 assists/game. assist to turnover ratio 5.4:1. crazy.
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04-21-2008, 08:20 PM
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#56 (permalink)
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Star
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
Looka the minutes Jose plays, he plays backup and splits minutes with TJ Ford.
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04-21-2008, 08:30 PM
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#57 (permalink)
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6th Man
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
i would trade jack but not outlaw. outlaw is too important to our bench and our energy and hes too much of a crowd favorite.
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04-21-2008, 08:37 PM
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#58 (permalink)
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"Read Hap's Posts"
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Re: Would you give up Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???
I think when you look at the talent on the Blazers you need to look at what you're trading and what you're getting. I'm not sure I'd trade Outlaw, I think that if Portland doesn't get Calderson there are other PG's out there, he would be nice to add with Rudy coming on board next season. I think that if you moved Jack and Webster for him that wouldn't be that hard to swallow for me. Jack is nothing more than a back up combo guard and Webster has had some nice games, but is he really your starting small forward in 2009?
Calderon would be a very interesting player in Portland, not sure if Toronto would give him up for that, but I don't think I'd pay more than that for him.
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