View Poll Results: Jack & Outlaw for Calderon???

BuckW4GM · 04-21-2008, 09:36 PM

oden, roy, aldridge, and rudy. that's potentially a tons of scoring fire power right there. i don't want our pg to be thinking he should shoot it over those guys. jose would be beautiful setting them up to score.

**Oldmangrouch** · 04-21-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kmurph

NO

Let TOR keep Calderon, seriously they are going NOWHERE with him....

And POR fans need to start thinking outside of the box....Unless a Paul or D.Williams level talent was available...and it is HIGHLY unlikely they will be (stop dreaming POR fans)...then POR should be looking for a SCORER at the PG position IMO..

The FACT is that Roy works best AS the playmaker, with the ball in his hands...and what he needs is more...I mean BETTER scoring options surrounding him...So IMO POR should be looking for more of a scorer as a backcourt mate to Roy...Calderon is a decent player...but frankly I'd rather have Outlaw as a guy off the bench, than a relatively small upgrade at the PG spot....

I'm not opposed to dealing Outlaw or Martell or both, but I certainly wouldn't deal either of them for a margina upgrade...and that is exactly what this type of deal would be...a MARGINAL UPGRADE, no matter what any homer Raps fans says....

To paraphrase the folks at Baseball Prospectus, it is much easier to upgrade from a grade "F" player to a grade "C" than it is to upgrade from a "C" to a "B". Absent great luck in the draft, trading for modest upgrades may be the best we can do....and they won't come cheap. We will have to give talent to get talent.

I do agree with your point about thinking outside the box. Instead of an upgrade at PG, the team should consider the option of finding a SF who is a good passer/playmaker/ballhandler. Having a guy like that at SF would make a Roy/Rudy backcourt more viable.

darkhelmit54 · 04-22-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldmangrouch

To paraphrase the folks at Baseball Prospectus, it is much easier to upgrade from a grade "F" player to a grade "C" than it is to upgrade from a "C" to a "B". Absent great luck in the draft, trading for modest upgrades may be the best we can do....and they won't come cheap. We will have to give talent to get talent.

I do agree with your point about thinking outside the box. Instead of an upgrade at PG, the team should consider the option of finding a SF who is a good passer/playmaker/ballhandler. Having a guy like that at SF would make a Roy/Rudy backcourt more viable.

I completely agree with the example of consolidation, we will have to trade quantity for quality, but it can't be too drastic, a team couldn't trade 10 10th men for a starter, scrubs w/potential are too easy to get a hold of in todays game. As far as a playmaking/passing SF goes, that's why I've been plugging Iggy so much, I think he and Roy would supply more than enough ballhandling/passing on the court at a time with a shooting specialist in Martell or Rudy next to them (and Iggy can handle defending 1's or whoevers the best offensive player in general). But another 76er that I've been really interested in was Andre Miller as far as a vet that could help us for a year w/o screwing up the cap plan. He would be a much better floor general than anyone we have now, may be looking to get out west and play with skilled bigs, and help out our fast break game a ton. Of course, with the way the sixers surprised detroit a lot of these guys values may now be inflated...

package Jack, our pick, perhaps next years first rounder to move up and get Kevin Love
draft Kevin Love

trade #1
Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake
for
Andre Miller

trade #2
S&T Andre Iguodala, Willie Green (dump)
for
Raef Lafrentz, Kevin Love, (next years pick, if not used)

one can dream...

basically:
Out: Lafrentz, Jack, Blake, Outlaw, 2008 1st rounder, 2009 first rounder
In: Miller, Iguodala, Green (cut)

(cut Green)

Miller, Rodriguez, Koponen
Roy, Fernandez, (2nd rounder)
Iguodala, Webster, Jones
Aldridge, Frye, Mcroberts
Oden, Pryzbilla, Freeland

We are set up to compete now, and for the next 10 years. KP's championship team is pretty much assembled, the front court is much less jammed, the backcourt has more open time for development of Sergio and Rudy than currenty, consolidation is complete, as players age and expire they can be evaluated and extended or let go (Miller, Jones, Pryzbilla).

They can dump Green's contract, save a little money, keep a reliable point, open up time for Lou, Carney, and Young. Love would fit their up-tempo style perfect with outlet passes and strong rebounding while Dale runs up the floor, they don't have to over commit to the salary that Iggy demands, build for the future, have huge cap flexibility.

dwood615 · 04-22-2008, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by R-Star

Good call. How did Jack and Outlaw play? I forgot, so shoot me their statline.

Oh yea........

Again, great call.

**** I hate a lot of you Blazer fans. Some of you are some of the best posters on here, others are the biggest homers I've ever seen.

the internet banger speaks again

dwood615 · 04-22-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhelmit54

I completely agree with the example of consolidation, we will have to trade quantity for quality, but it can't be too drastic, a team couldn't trade 10 10th men for a starter, scrubs w/potential are too easy to get a hold of in todays game. As far as a playmaking/passing SF goes, that's why I've been plugging Iggy so much, I think he and Roy would supply more than enough ballhandling/passing on the court at a time with a shooting specialist in Martell or Rudy next to them (and Iggy can handle defending 1's or whoevers the best offensive player in general). But another 76er that I've been really interested in was Andre Miller as far as a vet that could help us for a year w/o screwing up the cap plan. He would be a much better floor general than anyone we have now, may be looking to get out west and play with skilled bigs, and help out our fast break game a ton. Of course, with the way the sixers surprised detroit a lot of these guys values may now be inflated...

package Jack, our pick, perhaps next years first rounder to move up and get Kevin Love
draft Kevin Love

trade #1
Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake
for
Andre Miller

trade #2
S&T Andre Iguodala, Willie Green (dump)
for
Raef Lafrentz, Kevin Love, (next years pick, if not used)

one can dream...

basically:
Out: Lafrentz, Jack, Blake, Outlaw, 2008 1st rounder, 2009 first rounder
In: Miller, Iguodala, Green (cut)

(cut Green)

Miller, Rodriguez, Koponen
Roy, Fernandez, (2nd rounder)
Iguodala, Webster, Jones
Aldridge, Frye, Mcroberts
Oden, Pryzbilla, Freeland

We are set up to compete now, and for the next 10 years. KP's championship team is pretty much assembled, the front court is much less jammed, the backcourt has more open time for development of Sergio and Rudy than currenty, consolidation is complete, as players age and expire they can be evaluated and extended or let go (Miller, Jones, Pryzbilla).

They can dump Green's contract, save a little money, keep a reliable point, open up time for Lou, Carney, and Young. Love would fit their up-tempo style perfect with outlet passes and strong rebounding while Dale runs up the floor, they don't have to over commit to the salary that Iggy demands, build for the future, have huge cap flexibility.

no offense dude but they would never trade AI

post that on the sixers forum i bet they rip you a new one worse then nets fans did to me hahahah

but i could see the andre miller trade happening

NewAgeBaller · 04-22-2008, 03:09 AM

Yea Andre Miller I could see happening but no way they'd take that Iguodala deal (or trade Iguodala at all really)..

MrJayremmie · 04-22-2008, 08:31 AM

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Jesus. Wont be able to stick with Paul or Williams in the playoffs? As compared to all the other guys you're able to pick up who could? Paul and Williams are in a league of their own when it comes to young PG's.

You really don't get it. Have you ever seen HArris play defense? He is one that can stick with Paul and Parker, people quick like that. Parker was relieved to hear that Harris was traded to the east actually.

I'm not saying shut them down, because that is impossible, but sticking is like slowing them down.

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And saying if Portland was in the east such and such would happen is not fact. They arent in the east, they're in the west, thats the fact.

LMAO at your attempt to sound smart...

darkhelmit54 · 04-22-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NewAgeBaller

Yea Andre Miller I could see happening but no way they'd take that Iguodala deal (or trade Iguodala at all really)..

yeah, I mean I mean it more as one trade that had been made into two to work with the S&T aspect of it (I guess Green would have to be in the first one too I guess. I know we'd have to give up more than that to get a deal done, I was kind of hoping Philly would get bounced quick out of the playoffs w/ Thad and Lou playing great (but Thad did play awesome last night). Anyways, the assumption was that Love would be like the #8 pick and swapping Jack + 13 for #8 (which probably isn't realistic either) but then for Philly it'd be more like...

#8, Outlaw, Blake, Lafrentz for Iguodala, Miller, Green

The real thing they'd get is opened up time for other players, tons of cap relief to still sign a big FA, and a more balanced roster (as travis and the pick could play 4).

Wouldn't you love to watch that blazer lineup though?

**STOMP** · 04-22-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhelmit54

Wouldn't you love to watch that blazer lineup though?

Nah... I'd rather trade Raef for LaBron and then McRoberts + the second 2nd rounder for Chris Paul. Anything less then that and I won't love watching this team.

STOMP

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