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04-23-2008, 10:58 PM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
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I really think in the league today you can get away with a PG that isn't a defensive stud. Now with the zone defense and us having a huge monster in the paint we would be just fine without a defensive wizard at the point.
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How many PGs in the league ARE defensive studs? I can't really think of any off the top of my head besides Chris Paul.
I'm really more interested in Battier. A veterans experience would be nice if this team wants to contend for a championship in 2-3 years. A great versatile defender would do wonders for us. During some nights in the 07-08 season, it litterally felt like we were getting raped from long range. I would pull the trigger on Webster+Jack, but I'd probably do the same for Outlaw+Jack. It'd be nice for Battier to teach young Webster how to play better defense. It wouldn't matter that Outlaw is gone because Rudy could be that spark scorer off the bench. Battiers ability to defend and shoot the 3 would be a perfect addition to this team.
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You guys think Battier can continue to be a defensive stud into our championship runs? He's already almost 30.
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I don't see why not. Bruce Bower is still kicking it isn't he?
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04-23-2008, 11:00 PM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
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for all of you that are so enamored with Calderon, have you been watching the Toronto/Orlando series? Calderon is getting burned by Jameer Nelson. I do not think that Calderon is that much of an upgrade to Blake and especially not in the West.
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I agree. He plays zero defense even though he has a nice jumper, but he's not worth what it would take to obtain him.
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04-23-2008, 11:10 PM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
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I agree. He plays zero defense even though he has a nice jumper, but he's not worth what it would take to obtain him.
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I'm tired of hearing how this guy plays NO defense! Who does play defense? I would like somebody to list what PG's play great D? When making this list also let me know how HUGE their contract is!
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04-23-2008, 11:10 PM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
How do they know it was Rockets management and not a random group of guys talking about what "we" need to do with the team this summer? The way it's written, it sounds like Quick didn't know who they sat next to but figured it to be the new GM based on typical guy talk.
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04-23-2008, 11:15 PM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
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How do they know it was Rockets management and not a random group of guys talking about what "we" need to do with the team this summer? The way it's written, it sounds like Quick didn't know who they sat next to but figured it to be the new GM based on typical guy talk.
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Even if Rockets management had no problems with Battier, wouldn't you consider Outlaw+Jack anyways?
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04-23-2008, 11:40 PM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
It's interesting speculation about Calderon. Didn't the Toronto GM put the Suns together, or do I have that wrong? Which of those point guards (Calderon or Ford) would work better in the style of play he wants? It looks to me like they are leaning over backwards to not alienate Ford; he's starting in two playoff games and has basically shot them out of both games (2 for 17). But then why would they want to keep a guy who is doing that? It's really confusing. I don't think Ford has much trade value for them because of his back condition. Is it possible they would really like Sergio Rodriguez? Although they don't have a true center (Joel), maybe they don't want one for their style of play. Probably for a wide open running style, only Outlaw would interest them or maybe Channing Frye because he can actually hit outside shots, unlike Bargnani?
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04-24-2008, 06:22 AM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
Well Jack is out of the question in Houston because not only is he not an upgrade to Alston, but he is worse than Brooks.
As for Battier, he would be a nice fit, but I would be shocked if Houston traded him. He did well under Adelman IMO. Outlaw would be a nice offensive piece next to McGrady and Yao though. Trading one of the lowest basketball IQ's for one of the highest would be a great move for Pritchard.
Calderon isn't going anywhere unless there has been some sort of behind the scenes trade request.
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04-24-2008, 07:18 AM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
Battier would work under "Nate ball".
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04-24-2008, 09:09 AM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
To me, Calderon is the most attainable up and coming point guard out there. I would push hard for him, and would discuss anything short of the big 3 to get him.
If that were to come through, I think our biggest need would be a SF who is a defensive stopper who can hit the 3 but won't need a ton of touches (like a Bruce Bowen type, but younger and not so dirty). Battier fits this mold pretty well, and I would be very interested in him.
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04-24-2008, 09:21 AM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
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Read my post, I answered that too.
Versatile defensive SF > Defensive minded PG
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Again, I'm talking STRICTLY PG. Between Calderon and Westbrook, I'd prefer Westbrook. Not only is he a great defender, he can get to the hoop at will and knock down the open shot.
But since you want to talk about Battier, the Blazers can still get both. Are you happy now? Christ.
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04-24-2008, 09:43 AM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
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I'm tired of hearing how this guy plays NO defense! Who does play defense? I would like somebody to list what PG's play great D? When making this list also let me know how HUGE their contract is!
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Kidd
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Paul
Williams
Harris
Rondo
Fisher
Davis(when he wants to)
And that was just off the top of my head. Notice how they are all or were on good teams?
Steve Nash gets abused and it shows. If you can't stop dribble penetration you're going to have a long day. Calderon would be no different. Guards kill the Raptors. Absolutely kill them. And with Paul, West and possibly Rose all going to be in the WC, the Blazers are gonna need a PG that plays more D than Calderon.
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04-24-2008, 09:45 AM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
Battier, Aldridge, Oden = Best defensive frontline in the league. A deal for Battier could help crack open the window for us just next year.
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04-24-2008, 10:04 AM
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Re: Interesting Portland trade news involving Battier/Calderon
Interesting idea!!! I would love to get Jose. Between him, Rudy and Sergio... there would be great camaraderie. Which I think would go great with the current team chemistry.
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04-24-2008, 10:11 AM
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