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04-29-2008, 12:48 AM
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Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
The Dallas Mavericks are in a state of distress. They are about to get bounced in the 1st round for the second year in a row. They are almost completely built as a 'win now' team, and their window is closing faster than probably any other 'elite' team in the West. They need to make some radical moves this off season to attempt a last-ditch effort to field a top-tier Western team.
This is why we need to go after Josh Howard.
Let me preface this by saying I am completely aware Howard recently admitted to smoking marijuana recreationaly during the off-season. He is also currently having an totally atrocious post season. He is averaging 12.8ppg, and shooting below 30%.
This is another reason we need to go after Josh Howard.
His offseason struggles should matter little. The entire Mavs team is struggling(Other than Dirk), and he is no exception. His previous seasons and post season performances have illustrated just how talented he is.
The Marijuana admission was stupid. But lets be honest, even with the Jailblazer image it should not be over exaggerated. This isnt some dumb *** kid we have here. He is a college graduate, politically active and just not scared to speak his mind. It was dumb, but not a deal breaker for a smart GM.
Howard is an ideal SF fit. He is versatile, can defend very well and doesnt play with any form of selfishness. He is essentially a blend of both Outlaw and Martell's positive traits. In fact, the general complaint among Mavs fans is that he doesnt shoot enough and can defer too often. A good trait as he would likley be a 4th option in Portland. He is a bit older than our core, at 28, but we could use a veteran with playoff experience.
So, here is my idea...
Portland Trades
-Raef LaFrentz to SAC
-Jarrett Jack to SAC
-2008 1st round pick(#13) to SAC
-2008 2nd round pick(From MEM, #33) to SAC
Portland Recieves
-Josh Howard from DAL
-Mikki Moore from SAC
-2008 2nd round pick(#45) from SAC
Sacramento Trades
-Ron Artest to DAL
-Mikki Moore to PDX
-2008 2nd round pick(#45) to PDX
Sacramento Recieves
-Raef LaFrentz from PDX
-Jarrett Jack from PDX
-2008 1st round pick(#13) from PDX
-2008 2nd round pick(#33) from PDX
Dallas Trades
-Josh Howard
Dallas Recieves
-Ron Artest
WHY SAC DOES IT?
Artest is likely to opt out in 09', so here they get a low lotto pick to ensure a return on him. They also nab Jack, a decent backup and snag a high 2nd rounder.
SACRAMENTO ROSTER
PG: B. Udrih/J. Jack/#12
SG: K. Martin/Q. Douby
SF: J. Salmons/F. Garcia
PF: S. Williams/R. LaFrentz/#13
C : B. Miller/S. Hawes
WHY DAL DOES IT?
They need to get some toughness. Their team plays soooo soft and uninterested. Artest is a risk, but I think two great players like Kidd & Dirk can keep his head cool. He just seems like the attitude Dallas could, and should, gamble on to try and maximize their Championship window.
DALLAS ROSTER
PG: J. Kidd/J. Barea
SG: J. Terry/J. Stackhouse
SF: R. Artest/D. George
PF: D. Nowitzki/B. Bass
C : E. Dampier/M. Allen
WHY PDX DOES IT?
They get a awesome SF, who can play lockdown D and create his own O. He isnt a great 3 point shooter, but has a very developed mid-ranged game. Simply put, I think he would help ensure PDX at least a 5th seed next season. We also get Moore, who can replace Raef's minutes and is suposta be one of the most popular locker room guys in the NBA. NOTE: I think, personally, the Blazers would look to move Outlaw and filler for a PG upgrade.
PORTLAND ROSTER(Not including likley trade for a PG)
PG: S. Blake/S. Rodrigez/#35
SG: B. Roy/R. Fernandez
SF: J. Howard/M. Webster/J. Jones
PF: L. Aldridge/T. Outlaw/C. Frye
C : G. Oden/J.Pryzbilla/M.Moore
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04-29-2008, 01:03 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
Even without the marijuana issue, I don't see the Mavs trading Howard. He's one of the few young guys on that team. If anything, they'll blow up the team and keep Howard for a younger core. It's too late for them. What else could they upgrade at this point? Shooting guard? I really don't see the Mavs retooling and making another run. Dirk isn't the player that they thought he was. He can't carry them. I guess they could go after a sign and trade for Shawn Marion.
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04-29-2008, 01:05 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
nope. sanctimonius Blazer fans shoo shoo away any bad, evil marijuana smokers. end of story.
I think they'll go after Jermaine O'Neal in the off season some how. I think Dirk is on the block.
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04-29-2008, 01:05 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
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Originally Posted by ThatBlazerGuy
The Dallas Mavericks are in a state of distress. They are about to get bounced in the 1st round for the second year in a row. They are almost completely built as a 'win now' team, and their window is closing faster than probably any other 'elite' team in the West. They need to make some radical moves this off season to attempt a last-ditch effort to field a top-tier Western team.
This is why we need to go after Josh Howard.
Let me preface this by saying I am completely aware Howard recently admitted to smoking marijuana recreationaly during the off-season. He is also currently having an totally atrocious post season. He is averaging 12.8ppg, and shooting below 30%.
This is another reason we need to go after Josh Howard.
His offseason struggles should matter little. The entire Mavs team is struggling(Other than Dirk), and he is no exception. His previous seasons and post season performances have illustrated just how talented he is.
The Marijuana admission was stupid. But lets be honest, even with the Jailblazer image it should not be over exaggerated. This isnt some dumb *** kid we have here. He is a college graduate, politically active and just not scared to speak his mind. It was dumb, but not a deal breaker for a smart GM.
Howard is an ideal SF fit. He is versatile, can defend very well and doesnt play with any form of selfishness. He is essentially a blend of both Outlaw and Martell's positive traits. In fact, the general complaint among Mavs fans is that he doesnt shoot enough and can defer too often. A good trait as he would likley be a 4th option in Portland. He is a bit older than our core, at 28, but we could use a veteran with playoff experience.
So, here is my idea...
Portland Trades
-Raef LaFrentz to SAC
-Jarrett Jack to SAC
-2008 1st round pick(#13) to SAC
-2008 2nd round pick(From MEM, #33) to SAC
Portland Recieves
-Josh Howard from DAL
-Mikki Moore from SAC
-2008 2nd round pick(#45) from SAC
Sacramento Trades
-Ron Artest to DAL
-Mikki Moore to PDX
-2008 2nd round pick(#45) to PDX
Sacramento Recieves
-Raef LaFrentz from PDX
-Jarrett Jack from PDX
-2008 1st round pick(#13) from PDX
-2008 2nd round pick(#33) from PDX
Dallas Trades
-Josh Howard
Dallas Recieves
-Ron Artest
WHY SAC DOES IT?
Artest is likely to opt out in 09', so here they get a low lotto pick to ensure a return on him. They also nab Jack, a decent backup and snag a high 2nd rounder.
SACRAMENTO ROSTER
PG: B. Udrih/J. Jack/#12
SG: K. Martin/Q. Douby
SF: J. Salmons/F. Garcia
PF: S. Williams/R. LaFrentz/#13
C : B. Miller/S. Hawes
WHY DAL DOES IT?
They need to get some toughness. Their team plays soooo soft and uninterested. Artest is a risk, but I think two great players like Kidd & Dirk can keep his head cool. He just seems like the attitude Dallas could, and should, gamble on to try and maximize their Championship window.
DALLAS ROSTER
PG: J. Kidd/J. Barea
SG: J. Terry/J. Stackhouse
SF: R. Artest/D. George
PF: D. Nowitzki/B. Bass
C : E. Dampier/M. Allen
WHY PDX DOES IT?
They get a awesome SF, who can play lockdown D and create his own O. He isnt a great 3 point shooter, but has a very developed mid-ranged game. Simply put, I think he would help ensure PDX at least a 5th seed next season. We also get Moore, who can replace Raef's minutes and is suposta be one of the most popular locker room guys in the NBA. NOTE: I think, personally, the Blazers would look to move Outlaw and filler for a PG upgrade.
PORTLAND ROSTER(Not including likley trade for a PG)
PG: S. Blake/S. Rodrigez/#35
SG: B. Roy/R. Fernandez
SF: J. Howard/M. Webster/J. Jones
PF: L. Aldridge/T. Outlaw/C. Frye
C : G. Oden/J.Pryzbilla/M.Moore
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Add a trade of Pryz + Webster + Sergio to Toronto for Calderon + Filler....and use our pick for the best 4 or 5 available...and I like it.
Calderon / Blake
Roy/Rudy
Howard/Outlaw/Jones
Aldridge/Frye/Pick
Oden/Moore/Pick
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04-29-2008, 01:15 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
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nope. sanctimonius Blazer fans shoo shoo away any bad, evil marijuana smokers. end of story.
I think they'll go after Jermaine O'Neal in the off season some how. I think Dirk is on the block.
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They really should trade Dirk for some younger guys. Maybe send Dirk to a place like Atlanta where they have a ton of young talent. I just don't see that team going anywhere unless they add someone who can elevate the team. Maybe do a sign and trade for Shawn Marion. Then they'd have Kidd, Terry, Marion, Dirk, and Dampier. Marion would give them another runner, and more importantly someone who can rebound.
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04-29-2008, 07:12 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
I don't think Dallas wants to move him. Especially for an older player. They are already old enough.
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04-29-2008, 07:33 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
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Originally Posted by Xericx
nope. sanctimonius Blazer fans shoo shoo away any bad, evil marijuana smokers. end of story.
I think they'll go after Jermaine O'Neal in the off season some how. I think Dirk is on the block.
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I guess that makes KP a sanctimonious Blazer fan then because there is no way in hell he would bring someone like that into the mix now. Fans have finally come back, and there have been numerous national articles on the Blazers FINALLY ridding themselves of the last Jailblazer.
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04-29-2008, 07:36 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
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Originally Posted by NateBishop3
Even without the marijuana issue, I don't see the Mavs trading Howard. He's one of the few young guys on that team. If anything, they'll blow up the team and keep Howard for a younger core. It's too late for them. What else could they upgrade at this point? Shooting guard? I really don't see the Mavs retooling and making another run. Dirk isn't the player that they thought he was. He can't carry them. I guess they could go after a sign and trade for Shawn Marion.
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He isn't really that young anymore, he is 28.
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04-29-2008, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mediocre man
I guess that makes KP a santimonious Blazer fan then because there is no way in hell he would bring someone like that into the mix now. Fans have finally come back, and there have been numerous national articles on the Blazers FINALLY ridding themselves of the last Jailblazer.
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the correlation between butts in seats and winning is a lot stronger then with the supposed character upgrades. I had zero trouble getting seats at the start of last season. Empty seats were everywhere in my usual section. Things changed when the club started ticking off victories. I'm thinking a lineup of Greg, LA, Howard, Roy, and Rudy/Blake would easily pave wins right over anyone's reefer madness hysteria.
Josh Howard would be a huge upgrade at arguably the Blazers weakest position. But recalling those photos of a completely blitzed Dirk and Nash a few years back, here's doubting that JH's admission will move him to the trading block. The Dallas sports fanbase also dealt with the Cowboys White House saga... I'm guessing this isn't really that big of a deal to them.
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04-29-2008, 09:03 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
hahaha that trade is so unfair to the other teams, it's not even funny. Okay, it's a little funny. Portland gives up a 12th man, a third string PG and two pretty worthless picks ... and receives two quality players in return? Okay!
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04-29-2008, 09:19 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
^Correct. But most are on this board.
I was on the Knicks board last night searching through their June 2007 messages of how happy they were they got Zach, and their deals for Kobe and other people. I've decided that this place actually has much more realistic trades then other teams' boards.
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04-29-2008, 09:37 AM
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Re: Josh Howard and the state of the Mavs...
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Originally Posted by Xericx
nope. sanctimonius Blazer fans shoo shoo away any bad, evil marijuana smokers. end of story.
I think they'll go after Jermaine O'Neal in the off season some how. I think Dirk is on the block.
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Aaah speak for yoursef, I personally feel the Mary Jane shouldn't be an issue.
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04-29-2008, 09:40 AM
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