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04-30-2008, 04:19 PM
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should we be learning...
Should we be learning from what is going on in the playoffs right now?
There are threads daily about trading this guy for this guy and signing this guy and stealing this guy from this team but should we do any of that? I mean look at the Suns... yeah Shaq paid off! Dallas... yeah Kidd paid off. Everyone wants the team to make moves but we are, ODEN and RUDY! These are pretty big moves for a team who finished like the we did. Why do anything else? Lets get these two and then see what happens next season. If we need to make changes then we will have tons of cap space to do so.
The West could be changing and it should look a lot different then it did this year. I just hope that it doesn't end with another championship in LA. Which as of right now seems to be the only team who made out from their BIG deal this season.
Sure its fun to wish that we could land this guy or this guy and I do it as well with CP3... but lets try and be realistic here.
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04-30-2008, 04:54 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
I wouldn't be too disappointed if we didn't move anyone. If we did, I don't think it would be anything more than a minor player or two for another minor player. I don't think Portland fans should be disappointed if that's all that happens because we haven't hit our window yet with our core players.
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04-30-2008, 04:58 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
The lesson so far has been that PG is a young mans position.
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04-30-2008, 05:16 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
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Originally Posted by Draco
The lesson so far has been that PG is a young mans position.
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Why, because Kidd and Nash got eliminated in the first round? Bibby is so far tied with Rondo on an inferior team. Fisher is no spring chicken and his team swept. Billups is probably going to advance. Meanwhile Ford and Calderon got eliminated. Seems like a mixed bag to me, just like every other position.
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04-30-2008, 05:42 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
We need to upgrade PG. Everything else is fine, but PG has to improve. And we can't improve if we don't trade something. It's not that I WANT to jettison Outlaw/Webster/Przybilla/Jack or any other player, but you need to give to get. KP is one hell of an evaluator and I trust that he will be able to find a young PG to go after. The fact is, we don't have enough minutes for all the players we have right now, so why not consolidate a little while we upgrade the PG spot. Having a talented 12th man is not really useful. And it's not like we really need to be bringing along new projects since we are already so young. In a couple years we can start to look at finding more draftees, but right now we should look for players who have been in the league between 1 and 5 years, still young and growing, but already adjusting and proving themselves in the NBA. Personally I think we should make a run at Harris, Calderon and Barbosa and see if one of them can be landed. If not, then see what else is available.
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04-30-2008, 06:00 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
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Originally Posted by duckworthstolemylunch
Should we be learning from what is going on in the playoffs right now?
There are threads daily about trading this guy for this guy and signing this guy and stealing this guy from this team but should we do any of that? I mean look at the Suns... yeah Shaq paid off! Dallas... yeah Kidd paid off. Everyone wants the team to make moves but we are, ODEN and RUDY! These are pretty big moves for a team who finished like the we did. Why do anything else? Lets get these two and then see what happens next season. If we need to make changes then we will have tons of cap space to do so.
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I don't think there's any philosophy to be followed... just look those trades on their own. Plenty of people (probably even a majority) at the time thought both trades were a mistake. The playoffs haven't changed anything; if there's a chance to consolidate and turn some combination of Webster/Jack/whoever? into a better prospect KP will be all over it.
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04-30-2008, 06:04 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
Trading for KG and Ray Allen still have a good chance of paying off.
I think Phoenix and Dallas were so close to being the best, that they tried too hard and forced deals to try and put them over the top. They mortgaged their future to do so, which only helps out Portland.
We are in no position to replicate these type of deals. KP has made it clear that we are building around the big 3. If a trade comes along to better this plan, I am all for it - regardless of what is happening in the playoffs.
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04-30-2008, 07:00 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
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Originally Posted by ProZach
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Why, because Kidd and Nash got eliminated in the first round? Bibby is so far tied with Rondo on an inferior team. Fisher is no spring chicken and his team swept. Billups is probably going to advance. Meanwhile Ford and Calderon got eliminated. Seems like a mixed bag to me, just like every other position.
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All the young PG's have looked great, Paul Deron Parker Rondo Nelson, the old guys like Kidd Cassell Bibby and Billups have struggled.
I'm not really talking about the teams getting eliminated, theres a lot more to a teams success than one position, but in general the young quick PG's have been a constant source of trouble for the opposition, they have created defensive issues.
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04-30-2008, 11:51 PM
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Re: should we be learning...
The only trade I want to happen is Jack to another team. With Rudy here next year, he won't be able to play back up SG as much. And I am tired of his constant turnovers.
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05-01-2008, 06:42 AM
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Re: should we be learning...
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Originally Posted by Draco
The lesson so far has been that PG is a young mans position.
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Maybe not a young mans position, but a fast\quick mans position. A good PG needs to be able to defend and disrupt the opposing PG.
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05-01-2008, 06:51 AM
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Re: should we be learning...
The difference between the teams that made trades and the blazers is that those teams already had veteran leadership.
The Blazers do not. James Jones is the closest thing to a Vet on the team.
Adding one experienced player I think would help the team a great deal.
Young teams don't win titles historically ('77 blazers excluded). It takes a balance of youth and experience to get there.
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05-01-2008, 06:57 AM
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Re: should we be learning...
I agree with most.
I would love to stay the same, but also realize that we do need a PG, and we do have too many good talented, young players on our roster.
We need to consolidate and get a PG.
I would probably prefer to go through the draft and trade to move up, but meh. I trust KP. But i think we would still be a playoff team if we stayed the same.
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05-01-2008, 06:58 AM
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Re: should we be learning...
I think what it shows is that "panic trades" or "do something trades" rarely work out. But we already knew that, didn't we? The Blazers dumped Grant and O'Neal after being 10 minutes from the finals and haven't gotten out of the first round since. The Blazers added Rod Srickland to a volatile mixture and crashed.
Trades are not inherently bad or good. Reckless trades are nearly always bad. Trades for their own sake are nearly always bad. And for the Blazers, trading away their future would be really really bad.
The only midseason trades that worked out were the Lakers, given an all star for nothing by an ex-Laker (nice to have friends in high places) and to a lesser degree the Hawks, who went 15-17 after trading for Bibby. Not great, but just good enough for the #8 seed in the East.
I admit I never even read the "would you do this trade?" threads because they are 1) pointless since none of us can do the trade 2) often unworkable due to salary cap 3) absurd, the Blazers are NOT trading Oden, Aldridge or Roy 4) ridiculous, since they involve bringing in a player whom we can say the Blazers absolutely don't want due to off court issues, or a star who is not going to be dealt, or someone way past his prime if he ever had one.
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05-01-2008, 09:31 AM
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