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05-05-2008, 12:53 AM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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in addition to improving his shot, sergio's got to learn how to finish. i think sergio can improve on his shot, but i rather doubt he ever becomes an effective finisher. his quickness is decent and he's fast, but his lack of hops and body control will prevent him from ever being good at finishing, imo.
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05-05-2008, 01:04 AM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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in addition to improving his shot, sergio's got to learn how to finish. i think sergio can improve on his shot, but i rather doubt he ever becomes an effective finisher. his quickness is decent and he's fast, but his lack of hops and body control will prevent him from ever being good at finishing, imo.
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He was better at finishing early is his rookie season when defenders did not sag off him. But now, he can't finish because everyone dares him to shoot, so if he decides to drive his defender is all over him. I think he may never be a great or even good finisher, but I think he would be decent if he could learn to shoot. One thing affects the other. Like in poker, you don't want to always be the one calling a raise, you want to be the one betting and putting your opponent to the decision. The same holds true in basketball, you want to be able to do several things with the ball so that the defense can't predict where you are going to be, you end up putting pressure on the defender this way and it makes all the possible moves easier.
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05-05-2008, 04:37 AM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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Finnish teams would kill Division II or high school teams. The level is not that bad.
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The thread asked for a player who compares to Koponen. The only poster who answered in this whole 3-page thread was ThatBlazerGuy, who said Hinrich. I came next closest to trying to answer. While I had no specific name to offer, I suggested a rookie 1st round guard from a Division II college or high school, since Koponen has a lot to learn. Nowhere did I say that Finnish pro teams are no better than Division II or high school.
Pritchard's lack of interest in Koponen isn't just a failure of reporters to ask about Koponen. They often just respond to whatever subjects he inititates, and he never initiates the subject of Koponen. He says he talks all the time to Fernandez or his agent, and visits Europe to watch Fernandez, but he doesn't do the same about Koponen. So his lack of interest is more than lack of reporter initiative.
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05-05-2008, 07:47 AM
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I can't believe Pritchard is "uninterested" in Koponen. I suspect he talks about him less for two reasons:
1. he's not asked about Koponen nearly as much as he is Fernandez, and rightfully so -- Fernandez is being talked about as the best player not currently in the NBA and certainly the best prospect in Europe; and
2. dove-tailing with the first point, Koponen is (presumably) not nearly as ready to step in and contribute as Fernandez is. My guess is that if Koponen's going to make a big splash in the NBA, it's still a few years away.
All that said, Fernandez is a potential starter as soon as he arrives while Koponen, if he's able to make the roster at all this next season, is likely to be behind at least Blake and Roy, maybe Rodriguez, and hopefully someone like an Andre Miller -- insert the NBA veteran PG of your choice.
So no, KP is unlikely to be "uninterested" but I don't think the Koponen basket has as many eggs in it as either the Fernandez basket or, certainly, the Oden basket.
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Yup. Rudy is 23 and looking to be a big part of next years rotation. PK is 20 and might earn a spot at the end of the bench. There are questions as to whether the more ready to contribute Fernandez will come over, but no such questions surround Kop... whats there to discuss?
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05-05-2008, 08:15 AM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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I'd say it'd be almost a sure thing, save for the connection with Fernandez. It's not so much that I think the Blazers would keep Rodriguez are a favor to Fernandez so much as that they might see enough off the court value to give him a bit more time. And, while I don't know this, I suspect they could trade Rodriguez mid-year (or cut him) and bring Koponen up (depending on how Koponen's contract is structured).
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i'd suspect that too, though i don't like it. it's just not right, imo.
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05-05-2008, 01:14 PM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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i'd suspect that too, though i don't like it. it's just not right, imo.
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Not right? We're debating about someone who's at best likely to be the 12th man. If Rodriguez has actual value off the court -- helping Fernandez to get settled in culturally, knowing better where to be and when, etc., it seems possible that that will help Fernandez on the court.
For that matter, the presence of Fernandez might help get more out of Rodriguez, given their history, chemistry, etc. It seems to me that, unless Koponen clearly outplays Rodriguez in summer league, that giving Rodriguez a bit more time only makes sense.
And yes, Hector, we've strayed some (though I said Kidd, initially). That said, it's pretty hard to come up with a comparison given how little we've seen him.
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05-05-2008, 11:44 PM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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The thread asked for a player who compares to Koponen. The only poster who answered in this whole 3-page thread was ThatBlazerGuy, who said Hinrich. I came next closest to trying to answer. While I had no specific name to offer, I suggested a rookie 1st round guard from a Division II college or high school, since Koponen has a lot to learn. Nowhere did I say that Finnish pro teams are no better than Division II or high school.
Pritchard's lack of interest in Koponen isn't just a failure of reporters to ask about Koponen. They often just respond to whatever subjects he inititates, and he never initiates the subject of Koponen. He says he talks all the time to Fernandez or his agent, and visits Europe to watch Fernandez, but he doesn't do the same about Koponen. So his lack of interest is more than lack of reporter initiative.
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yep I was going to post something similiar to this post  As for Sergio I'm not ready to say he's a big part of the rotation next year. He really hasen't proved anything.
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05-06-2008, 12:47 AM
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The thread asked for a player who compares to Koponen. The only poster who answered in this whole 3-page thread was ThatBlazerGuy, who said Hinrich.
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I could have sworn I threw in a Beno Udrih comparison on page 1...
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05-06-2008, 03:07 AM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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The thread asked for a player who compares to Koponen. The only poster who answered in this whole 3-page thread was ThatBlazerGuy, who said Hinrich. I came next closest to trying to answer. While I had no specific name to offer, I suggested a rookie 1st round guard from a Division II college or high school, since Koponen has a lot to learn. Nowhere did I say that Finnish pro teams are no better than Division II or high school.
about Koponen. So his lack of interest is more than lack of reporter initiative.
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Yeah I re-read your post after I wrote mine and noticed too that I got you wrong in the first time and was too lazy to edit my post. Though more accurate comparison would be Division 1 late 1st/early 2nd round prospect to be fair since they also would have a lot to prove and learn. Actually something in the mold of Taurean Green (no comparison) and last year Petteri was just at least as good as him in workouts, at least according Petteris interviews.
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05-06-2008, 06:59 AM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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Not right? We're debating about someone who's at best likely to be the 12th man. If Rodriguez has actual value off the court -- helping Fernandez to get settled in culturally, knowing better where to be and when, etc., it seems possible that that will help Fernandez on the court.
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i could have just as easily said i don't care, since i don't think sergio and petteri are going to be part of the rotation anyway. i still don't like it when a team has to do favors for certain players, but not for the lesser players. the difference between the digits on their checks should be enough. not saying i don't think it's a smart stretegy, i just don't like it.
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05-06-2008, 08:45 AM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
A young Mike Penberthy.
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05-06-2008, 04:35 PM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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A young Mike Penberthy.
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Penberthy was a great ball player for a game once.
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05-06-2008, 04:37 PM
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Re: Hey lets do a comparison on Petteri Koponen..
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Penberthy was a great ball player for a game once.
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I was being serious. Penberthy could create his own shot, at least in Europe, and still ran the point adequately.
He was overmatched athletically in the NBA, and I think Koponen may have the same problem.
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