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Old 05-02-2008, 04:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: Roy as PG

Actually in every game this year when the point guards had trouble stopping a player, who did they put on them? Roy. Who would finally do the job needed all game on them? Roy.

Just remember, the best players in this league can hardly get guarded 1 on 1. Even the best defenders know where to funnel to their help, and are made to look good by a couple of 7 footers looking to send it back.
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Old 05-02-2008, 04:22 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: Roy as PG

I agree 100% with Kmurph, and 110% with Reep. In fact, I think Calderon would be twice as bad a defender trying to guard the likes of Parker/Ellis/Paul than Roy.

Overall, our three best defenders for the fast little PG's of the West are going to be Oden, Aldridge and Joel. Its great to hope and stop these guys from penetrating, but most of the time it just doesnt happen. Thats when your big men come into play. Look at Dallas. Paul abused them, but that also had only 1 player on their team get over a block a game in that series. We are going to have two very intimidating bigs(Oden & Pryz) along with a great help defender/weakside shotblocker(LMA).

Also note that perhaps the best D on Parker was played by Diaw(Which really isnt saying much since he still got abused).
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Old 05-02-2008, 04:23 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I thought our 'small ball' lineup with Roy at SF stunk. If you are going small ball, you need to utilize some speedsters, not our slow it down offense.

I agree with meru. I don't like Roy at SF or at PG. Roy is a very good SG. He should play SG, next to a quality PG. Rudy will have to earn minutes from the 6th man spot. Of course there are times when they can share the back court, but there will be plenty of times when they shouldn't.

I also agree with Kmurph. I would not use Roy as a 'traditional' PG. But in the half-court, he is great at creating with the ball in his hands. That's great to have at the end of games, or out of time outs when you need a score. In those situations, Roy makes Nate look good.

I also worry about Roy's durability. I hope that Rudy pans out and Nate can cut Roy's minutes a little, and save him for the 'end-game.' I also think with Aldridge improving and Oden coming in, Roy won't have to carry so much of the load. A decent PG would also help take some pressure off Roy and keep him healthy for the playoffs.
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I agree 100% with Kmurph, and 110% with Reep.


So you completely agree with Kmurph . . . but not as much as you agree with Reep.
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Old 05-02-2008, 04:44 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Re: Roy as PG

Its not that Roy would neccesarily play the SF position, but that he would guard it.

He can play SG on offense and let Rudy play in the 3 spot (which on our offense usually waits for Roy to create and open 3 for them).

Having Roy dribble it up every play, which will make teams (for sure) press him will not only tire him out by end game (which is where we need him) but will also tire him out by the time of the playoffs. Its not a good option, imo.

Roy is our playmaker, like i said earlier, that doesn't mean he should defend the other teams PG, Dribble it up, and call the plays every time. People like Kobe and McGrady have lots of PG skills also, but making them full time PG would not only tire them out, but it wouldn't use them to the best of their abilities as a playmaker, which is what Roy is.
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This argument holds no water. The NBA has a decent history of shooting guards trying to play the point and getting hurt because of it. Penny Hardaway and Shaun Livingston immediately come to mind. But there's always a team or two that plays extended minutes with two point guards and I've never once heard of the guy playing the 2 spot getting hurt because of it.
Um, Canzano makes that point as well.

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Old 05-02-2008, 05:39 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Having Roy dribble it up every play, which will make teams (for sure) press him will not only tire him out by end game (which is where we need him) but will also tire him out by the time of the playoffs. Its not a good option, imo.
geez that Brandon sure is a wimp. It's amazing he's able to summon the energy to get out of bed each morning.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, how has similarly sized Jason Kidd thrived in the league for the last 15 years? It's not that big a deal. Canzano had one of his broken clock moments which curiously came with no accompanying outrageous gossipy crap maybe because this is so obvious it's impossible to spin it. Roy and Blake largely switched off the point responsibilities last season, but BR was the primary playmaker with the game on the line. He played a lot of point in college and has continued to excel at that role in the pros. I've little worries about him continuing to improve as he matures/grows stronger and see no reason he shouldn't be able to handle the primary PG duties the 15-20 minutes a night he and Rudy would be teamed in a 3 guard rotation with Blake. Adding Rudy and Greg to whats already in place should make this team deadly on both ends of the court. Brandon will be playing on a team with so many weapons I highly doubt teams are going to be able to press him effectively or double anyone with success.

Lastly... of the guards in the draft, I doubt anyone short of Rose and Mayo would be able to carve out more then 10 minutes on this roster. If they draft another point, that guy is likely to be clapping for at least a year. Thats not because there isn't some talent coming out, it's more how stacked I see the roster as.

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Old 05-02-2008, 07:53 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Re: Roy as PG

For those who are worrying about Roy running the fast break at PG with Rudy in the game, let us not forget that one of Rudy's specialties is running the fast break. He is not that great of a ball handler, but he is good enough and his passing, especially long passes are near perfect. Rudy may have trouble sharing the PG duties in half court, but in open court he can take care of getting the ball to the right spot.
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Here's a thought: leave Roy at his best position, which happens to be SG.
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Here's a thought: leave Roy at his best position, which happens to be SG.
I thought his best position was "In The Air, Having Jooked His Defender Out Of His Shoes".
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Roy had trouble guarding PGs IN SUMMER LEAGUE.
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Roy is not a freaking point guard. He can play the position sparingly, but starting him as a PG is just asking for disaster.
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geez that Brandon sure is a wimp. It's amazing he's able to summon the energy to get out of bed each morning.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, how has similarly sized Jason Kidd thrived in the league for the last 15 years? It's not that big a deal. Canzano had one of his broken clock moments which curiously came with no accompanying outrageous gossipy crap maybe because this is so obvious it's impossible to spin it. Roy and Blake largely switched off the point responsibilities last season, but BR was the primary playmaker with the game on the line. He played a lot of point in college and has continued to excel at that role in the pros. I've little worries about him continuing to improve as he matures/grows stronger and see no reason he shouldn't be able to handle the primary PG duties the 15-20 minutes a night he and Rudy would be teamed in a 3 guard rotation with Blake. Adding Rudy and Greg to whats already in place should make this team deadly on both ends of the court. Brandon will be playing on a team with so many weapons I highly doubt teams are going to be able to press him effectively or double anyone with success.

Lastly... of the guards in the draft, I doubt anyone short of Rose and Mayo would be able to carve out more then 10 minutes on this roster. If they draft another point, that guy is likely to be clapping for at least a year. Thats not because there isn't some talent coming out, it's more how stacked I see the roster as.

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One of Roys biggest weaknesses is his endurance. Some 4th quarters he is just flat out of gas, and then he is really just an average player.

Whata waste to have him spend so much extra energy bringing the ball up vs. a press every play.

And don't compare Jason Kidd. Different players have different levels of being in shape.

Again, Roy is our playmaker, and he is our PG in certain situations like the end of each half. To ask him to bring it up and calla play and defend a PG every play is rediculous. That is not what he does best, and certainly not using him to his max potential. He should be spending energy on being a playmaker and be fresh as possible for the 4th QTR.

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Yep. Just because somebody has point guard skills everybody wants him to turn to a full time PG, lol...
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