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05-05-2008, 11:46 PM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
c'mon man even Sergio haters should recognize that he CAN be a backup PG. He was for a season and was fairly successful in a steady 15 mpg role that he deserves. He needs to be in a flow (as all players do, as all PG's do!). Between Miller at 25 mpg, Roy at 10 mpg (at PG) and Sergio at around 15 we'd be fine. Koponen would just be spot minutes in blowouts for sure, but it'd be fun to take a look at him.
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05-05-2008, 11:53 PM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
the other thing with a trade like this (a big expiring player with more of our assets than Raef going out) also frees up more space for the big cap space plan next year, rather than having to renounce the rights of Jack, sign a draft pick, and not exercise the team option on Steve Blake.
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05-06-2008, 12:03 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
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c'mon man even Sergio haters should recognize that he CAN be a backup PG. He was for a season and was fairly successful in a steady 15 mpg role that he deserves. He needs to be in a flow (as all players do, as all PG's do!). Between Miller at 25 mpg, Roy at 10 mpg (at PG) and Sergio at around 15 we'd be fine. Koponen would just be spot minutes in blowouts for sure, but it'd be fun to take a look at him.
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I am not a Sergio hater, but I do realize that he has a terrible year. I think he could make it in the NBA and even be a very good PG, if he can learn to shoot. But right now, he can't shoot. And without that, he really hurts the team. He does not mesh well with Roy, who usually runs the offense and uses other players from their preferred location, but sergio does not have any preferred locations. And with him playing in the Olympics this off season, I don't think he is going to come in next year with a jump shot. Hope I am wrong, cause he does so many other things well.
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05-06-2008, 12:10 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
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the other thing with a trade like this (a big expiring player with more of our assets than Raef going out) also frees up more space for the big cap space plan next year, rather than having to renounce the rights of Jack, sign a draft pick, and not exercise the team option on Steve Blake.
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The trade would not send out more then we take back give or take 10%. So if we traded for Miller, whose contract is for ~10mil, and sent the Raef (12.3mil), Jack (1.8mil) and picks, we would need to take back about 12.6 mil minimum up to ~ 15.4mil. So the 6ers would need to send someone else back with Miller. And, unless that person had an expiring contract that we also did not want to reup, than we would have that person under contract and only the 10 mil savings instead of 12. Of course, we also would not need to pay the pick, so we might end up at about the same position cap wise either way, give or take a million.
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05-06-2008, 12:22 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
IMHO, Philly would be insane to trade Miller. He plays the same role for them that Pippen did when Cheeks first coached in Portland. With Pippen, Cheeks had a play-off team. Once he was gone, we found out Cheeks couldn't actually coach!
Back to the original subject: Raef's contract is only an asset to a team that is in tear down mode and is desperate for cap space. We may not know who that is until the trade deadline. It is easier to blow a team up in the middle of a bad season then it is to blow it up before the season even begins. The latter approach tends to turn fans into empty seats.
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05-06-2008, 12:31 AM
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05-06-2008, 01:26 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
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Meh. While Nowitzki is arguably a top ten talent in the NBA and LaFrentz is basically a 13th man at this point, I honestly think I might rather have LaFrentz. Why?
1. With Nowitzki here, he'd become a main cog and he consistently seems to choke in that role. I'd just as soon let guys like Roy, Fernandez, Aldridge, Oden, and even Outlaw and/or Webster develop with the shots that Nowitzki would be taking.
2. Nowitzki would be a big minutes guy and plays virtually no defense -- I like the way McMillan's got the team coming together defensively and Nowitzki would put a big hole in that.
3. Silly as it sounds, I actually like having LaFrentz as an option off the bench. He doesn't seem to complain about minutes, always seems ready, and does a halfway decent job of rebounding and playing defense. They'll be times this year when Oden or Przybilla will be early foul trouble and/or missing a game completely due to a flu or some such. Having LaFrentz to come in for 10 minutes and help hold the fort has merit.
4. Perhaps most importantly, I think his contract can help get a player who'd be a much better fit than Nowitzki.
All that said, if Cuban calls, it's something Pritchard would have to think about.
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05-06-2008, 04:32 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
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Its not like we need to trade Raef away. At worst, Raef's contract comes off the book after next season.
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Which is what is most likely going to happen unless there is a super sweet deal out there. Isn't cap-space in 2009 what we have all been waiting for?
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05-06-2008, 05:07 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
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Meh. While Nowitzki is arguably a top ten talent in the NBA and LaFrentz is basically a 13th man at this point, I honestly think I might rather have LaFrentz. Why?
1. With Nowitzki here, he'd become a main cog and he consistently seems to choke in that role. I'd just as soon let guys like Roy, Fernandez, Aldridge, Oden, and even Outlaw and/or Webster develop with the shots that Nowitzki would be taking.
2. Nowitzki would be a big minutes guy and plays virtually no defense -- I like the way McMillan's got the team coming together defensively and Nowitzki would put a big hole in that.
3. Silly as it sounds, I actually like having LaFrentz as an option off the bench. He doesn't seem to complain about minutes, always seems ready, and does a halfway decent job of rebounding and playing defense. They'll be times this year when Oden or Przybilla will be early foul trouble and/or missing a game completely due to a flu or some such. Having LaFrentz to come in for 10 minutes and help hold the fort has merit.
4. Perhaps most importantly, I think his contract can help get a player who'd be a much better fit than Nowitzki.
All that said, if Cuban calls, it's something Pritchard would have to think about.
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I know you're not a dumb poster cause I've read some of your other posts, and most of the points you make are valid, but wtf???
Are you being serious, or am I missing some sarcasm..?
"I honestly think I might rather have Lafrentz (over Dirk)" / "If Cuban calls, it's (a Raef-Dirk swap) something Pritchard would have to think about" - ???
Thats crazy talk man. Like I said above, the points you make are fair ones, but that shouldn't ever stop you from making a RAEF for DIRK swap..
The only "reasonable" point that might stop a trade like this is your 4th one, that Raef's contract could be used to pick up a player that fits much better than Dirk. That might be true but whats the chances of that actually happening, particularly in a summer like this one where there are several large expiring contracts also more talented or valuable than Raef. And at the least, there'd be a great downgrade in talent from a player like Dirk.
I mean I know Dirk's rep has dropped a lot lately (the Mavs are after all 2-12 in their last 14 playoff games), but anyone in ANY situation would have to be crazy to not accept on a trade that lopsided..
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05-06-2008, 06:21 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
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Its not like we need to trade Raef away. At worst, Raef's contract comes off the book after next season.
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05-06-2008, 06:47 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
2 things.
I think that some teams would rather have a Raef type player who will just sit on the bench and not complain and have a huge contract expire than someone who might complain and need to play and would mess up chemistry.
And 2, we don't really have to trade him. That would be a lot of nice cap comin' off after next year.
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05-06-2008, 08:43 AM
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Re: Raef may be harder to trade than we thought
Why would we want to trade Raef?
We need his money to sign a FA, so if we trade him for salary we lose that.
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05-06-2008, 09:25 AM
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