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05-05-2008, 10:31 PM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
If we drafted Chris Paul, there would of been no Webster, Roy, Aldridge, Oden, or Rudy Fernandez. The circumstance would of been much different. Nash would still be GM with Paul and Zach Randolph as our nucleus ...probably. We can only wildly guess the players we would draft after Paul.
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05-05-2008, 10:38 PM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
Who knows what Chris Paul would have been in Portland. I wish it worked like many people think, that a players experience would have been the same in a different situation.
As someone pointed out, if CP was the pick than John Nash would still be the GM and Patterson the president. KP would have been hired by someone else, and most likely would have constructed an awesome team that would be kicking our butt for years. NO's won the battle, but with our lineup we are going to win the war. Will CP3 bring a ring to NO? I don't know, if he is going to it better be this year or the next because we are coming.
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05-05-2008, 11:02 PM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
Agreed, if we draft Paul we don't get Roy or Aldridge... People need to think. Would you trade Roy, Aldridge and Oden for Paul? I didn't think so.
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05-05-2008, 11:04 PM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
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Agreed, if we draft Paul we don't get Roy or Aldridge... People need to think. Would you trade Roy, Aldridge and Oden for Paul? I didn't think so.
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So what? We would have been able to draft other people like Rudy Gay or something.
Thinking about the past hurts my brain. Too many scenarios.
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05-06-2008, 12:32 AM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
In that same 2005 draft we traded the #3 pick (Deron Williams, who is now one of the best PGs in the league) for Jack and Webster. What part did Director of Player Personnel Pritchard play in Nash's bad choices?
The 1st GM after Whitsitt was assigned the thankless destruction and tearing up the team. The 2nd GM was assigned the glory of reconstruction. If Nash hadn't had the nihilistic attitude, the destruction would now be Pritchard's job, and he'd be taking the heat Nash takes.
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05-06-2008, 01:04 AM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
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Agreed, if we draft Paul we don't get Roy or Aldridge... People need to think. Would you trade Roy, Aldridge and Oden for Paul? I didn't think so.
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I bet New Orleans fans wouldn't trade Paul for those three either.
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05-06-2008, 01:05 AM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
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At least we aren't the Bucks, who got Bogut No. 1, and are still going nowhere. I'm pretty happy with where we are right now. I see the West in the next five years going between us, New Orleans, Utah and the Lakers. It's going to be crazy!
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No doubt. Poor Bucks.
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05-06-2008, 01:08 AM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
As much as I love CP3, I still think Oden, Roy, LMA > CP3.
If we draft Paul, we only might have Roy today to go with him. We wouldn't have Oden and we wouldn't have LMA.
So the question is this, which nucleus would you rather have? Roy/LMA/Oden or Roy/CP3/Randolph? Not to mention we'll have another lottery pick this year, so ya it's taken us a few more years to finish this masterpiece but we're ever so close now. Roy/LMA/Oden to go with Rudy and whoever we draft this summer. Not to mention insane cap space and possibly a few trades down the road as well. There's no reason to complain as a Blazer fan these days.
However, I do wish we had Paul... that kid is goooooooood.
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05-06-2008, 05:29 AM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
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These kinds of threads are why I'm against time travel ... just imagine for a second the kind of havoc RW#30 would cause with such a device.
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You should stay away from the stock market.
Always do the sure thing layed out in front of you. I wonder about people who had a chance to buy Berkshire Hathaway stocks in the 1960's for $50's feel today. That how I feel about CP. This is not about Oden and Roy. We do not know what would have happened. Oden was pure luck that is all. All I am saying how bad Nash was.
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05-06-2008, 12:37 PM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
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You should stay away from the stock market.
Always do the sure thing layed out in front of you. I wonder about people who had a chance to buy Berkshire Hathaway stocks in the 1960's for $50's feel today. That how I feel about CP. This is not about Oden and Roy. We do not know what would have happened. Oden was pure luck that is all. All I am saying how bad Nash was.
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Nobody knew how good Paul was going to be. They knew he was going to be a quality point guard, but not THIS good. We needed a shooting guard. We had Telfair and Nash figured he'd go with the kid with the sweet stroke.
You're saying go with the sure thing, well Paul is the sure thing TODAY, not three years ago. Oden could be a sure thing next year. That's why there's no point pondering what could have been.
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05-06-2008, 01:05 PM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
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05-06-2008, 01:06 PM
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Re: I curse you John Nash
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Nobody knew how good Paul was going to be. They knew he was going to be a quality point guard, but not THIS good. We needed a shooting guard. We had Telfair and Nash figured he'd go with the kid with the sweet stroke.
You're saying go with the sure thing, well Paul is the sure thing TODAY, not three years ago. Oden could be a sure thing next year. That's why there's no point pondering what could have been.
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NOTHING is a "sure" thing. Yet, several respected scouts called Chris Paul the surest thing in that draft class.
I, and others posted that summer, that we hoped Paul fell to us (I assumed Atlanta would likely take him), as he was the Bluest of all the Blue Chip prospects, while having as much upside as any other pick.
Why would you pass on that? Low risk - high possible reward. Those situations in life are very rare.
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05-06-2008, 01:19 PM
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Nobody knew how good Paul was going to be. They knew he was going to be a quality point guard, but not THIS good. We needed a shooting guard. We had Telfair and Nash figured he'd go with the kid with the sweet stroke.
You're saying go with the sure thing, well Paul is the sure thing TODAY, not three years ago. Oden could be a sure thing next year. That's why there's no point pondering what could have been.
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well first of all, as one of the posters who argued for drafting Paul back in the day you're flat off when you say that no one thought he'd be a star. I'd watched him a lot in college and felt it was pretty obvious. Geez every time I did so I'd get shouted down by those that thought the world of Telfair. The hype on him coming out was that he was the best pure PG coming out since Kidd. I'll link threads if you require but I'm hopeful you'll just take me at my word and not have me wasting time wading through past threads.
I also don't get the complaints about why we're rehashing this... it's the offseason and people just want to talk some hoops. Of course we can't re-do the past/change history but we still want to talk some hoops and this is just harmless entertainment. This doesn't mean we don't appreciate how smart + lucky the club has been since, or somehow don't love the current roster that looks potentially dominant.
btw, Nash sucked. I think the Lakers should hire him
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