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**Dan** · 05-07-2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRizzle

People on here think he is the second coming of Jesus, they might be right, who knows...

Maybe he didnt get pumped up in this particular thread but overall the story on him is the 2nd coming of Jesus

Good point, everyone knows the 2nd coming of Jesus was Kobe.

B-Roy · 05-07-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRizzle

People on here think he is the second coming of Jesus, they might be right, who knows...

Maybe he didnt get pumped up in this particular thread but overall the story on him is the 2nd coming of Jesus

This quote is inherantly wrong. Jesus never came the first time.

DaRizzle · 05-07-2008, 06:23 PM

^Yeah, thats another can of worms Im not about to go into

**crandc** · 05-07-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRizzle

People on here think he is the second coming of Jesus, they might be right, who knows...

Maybe he didnt get pumped up in this particular thread but overall the story on him is the 2nd coming of Jesus

Well, I'm Jewish, so that's one thing for sure I don't think!

BTW, NO, I was NOT happy when Magic Johnson got HIV. That is not someone I wish on anyone.

Look, I'd be happy if the Lakers never win another game and Kobe Bryant is mercilessly booed on his home floor. But I don't want Bryant thrown in prison and tortured for a crime he did not commit, I don't want his wife raped, his kids starving. OK? There is a difference between "sports hate" and really wishing serious ill on someone and please, let's keep some perspective.

Just go 0-82 and I'm happy.

**STOMP** · 05-07-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRizzle

Maybe, but it doesnt make it any less true for you guys...If you have followed what people here usually think then you know that comment is the furthest thing from the truth.
At least Laker fans that pump up Bynum (like myself) at least have actual NBA play by Bynum to somewhat justify it.

my opinion of Greg didn't change when Portland won the lotto and trust me there were lots of posters here who were adamant believers based on seeing him destroying college ball as a freshman with limited use of his dominant hand. There were also lots of the so called "experts" comparing him to legends like Shaq and Russell while he was in HS where he was the two time national player of the year.

If you want to hang your hat on only NBA games thats fine, but I'm very comfortable calling it as I see it based on what I've seen and know about him. I know he's huge, fast, and explosive like few Bigs in the history of the game. I know he's got soft hands and good coordination. I know he has had solid coaching growing up and great all around fundamentals in place including shooting. I know he's got great feel for blocking shots. I know he's been working his butt off.

I'll stick to my comparison of Daugherty and Hakeem for these two talented young Bigs.

STOMP

GOD · 05-07-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaRizzle

People on here think he is the second coming of Jesus, they might be right, who knows...

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DaRizzle · 05-07-2008, 11:42 PM

game set match

....too good

**EHL** · 05-08-2008, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BuckW4GM

you're right, i did not see shaq played when he was a freshman and sophomre at lsu. i did saw him played a few times as a junior.

looking at their measurement numbers, shaq is 2 inches taller than oden. shaq weighed in at 303 lbs. in his predraft measurement, after he came out of lsu as a junior. as a freshman, oden played at 275 lbs. in his final month at osu. so the numbers favor shaq in term of size. i would also give the edge to shaq in term of strength, but not by much. watching the video clips when shaq played at lsu, especially during his freshman season, their size looks very similar to me. as far as athleticism, i'd say they're very comparable.

looking at both of their stats as a freshman, oden's stats compare favorably to shaq's as well. this is after oden played his entire freshman season with his right hand in a cast.

i'm not saying i'm expecting oden to be as good as shaq. although, i'm betting that oden will be closer to shaq than bynum to oden.

Shaq at LSU was a monster as a teenager. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU

At the age of 18 and 19 years old he was averaging 26ppg/14rpg/2apg/4bpg at LSU. Oden averaged a respectable 16ppg/10rpg/1apg/3bpg, nowhere near Shaq's LSU numbers. The numbers, in this case, tell the story.

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Originally Posted by Hap

Shaq wasn't exactly that great at footwork or touch when he first came into the league. He used brute strength more than anything else. It wasn't until after he got abused by Hakeem that he altered his game to include more than just barreling into players.

Their freshman #'s are actually similar, cept that Oden scored more and rebounded (a lot) less.

Just the opposite actually happened, though; Shaq was slender coming into the league compared to what he was in, say, the late 90's early 00's, when he did nothing but barrel and use his great agility for his size to get his points. Just the opposite when he was younger; lots of good change of direction, his footwork was still superb as a young guy, and he absolutely had touch around the basket. Hakeem had nothing to do with any change in Shaq's game. Shaq got bigger and stronger at the behest of Phil Jackson during the summer of 1999.

BuckW4GM · 05-08-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EHL

Shaq at LSU was a monster as a teenager. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ih2EnUeCyU

thanks for the link to that youtube video, but i've seen it. would you like me to link you to a video of oden being a monster at osu?

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At the age of 18 and 19 years old he was averaging 26ppg/14rpg/2apg/4bpg at LSU. Oden averaged a respectable 16ppg/10rpg/1apg/3bpg, nowhere near Shaq's LSU numbers.

why did you ignored the part where i compared oden's freshman stats to o'neal's freshman stats? that's the only stats that can be compared since oden stayed only 1 year at osu.

o'neal's stats as a freshman at lsu: 13.9 pts, 12 rebs, 3.6 blks. like i said, very comparable to oden's stats as a freshman at osu. with oden's good hand in a cast for almost the entire season..

here's the link to o'neal's freshman stats for you:
http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle...&ATCLID=174841

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The numbers, in this case, tell the story.

no, the numbers, in this case, shows that your argument is weak and you're misrepresenting the numbers to help argue your point.

BuckW4GM · 05-08-2008, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EHL

Just the opposite when he was younger; lots of good change of direction, his footwork was still superb as a young guy, and he absolutely had touch around the basket. Hakeem had nothing to do with any change in Shaq's game.

if you mean dunking the ball, then yes, shaq had great touch around the baskets when he entered the league. please. shaq couldn't make a shot any time he was 8 feet and out of the basket area. he later developed an effective hook, but early on it was dunks and layups.

mediocre man · 05-08-2008, 06:41 AM

When the **** did this become a Laker forum?

**STOMP** · 05-08-2008, 08:39 AM

There are obviously a lot of comparable things about young Shaq and Greg... Oneil was bigger while Greg is a better run/jump athlete but they were/are both physically dominating beasts on the low block. But one important aspect of their games is not comparable at all. Shaq's Achilles Heal has always been his pathetic FT shooting... he's shot 52% for his career. Greg shot 65% percent as freshman at OSU using his left hand... 80% as a senior in HS using his right.

Imagine what Shaq would have averaged in his career if he was an 80% FT shooter. Not only would he have made all those FTs he missed, but his team would have been able to pass him the ball in tight games in the 4th... heck they might have had him converting Sheed's T's

STOMP

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