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PorterIn2004 · 05-09-2008, 05:33 AM

This is gonna be an interesting thread to come back to in a year's time.

Masbee · 05-09-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EHL

At the same age Shaq's numbers dwarfed Oden's. This is fact you'll have to deal with.

Not if you're honest and admit that Oden wasn't going to be putting up 26/15/2/5 like Shaq did.

If team success were relevant we'd be talking about Oden's rookie season in the NBA, where he took his team nowhere by playing zero games. Is it getting through yet or is crayon necessary?

Your injury statement is pure, 100% excuse-making because Oden has never been healthy his entire collegiate or professional career. Not for one full season, ever. Unlike Shaq. I'd buy your reasoning of Oden's bad hand at OSU if Oden were ever actually healthy. But he hasn't been, so we have zero reason to believe he'll kick the injury bug until he proves otherwise. That's why it's an excuse.

If you had read carefully and thoroughly you would have noticed nowhere did I claim you said any such thing.

Except Shaq was dominant beyond belief and far more skilled and, yes, athletically gifted/strong than Oden has ever been. The sooner you accept this the better you'll look come the 2008-2009 season when Oden proves me right. Of course, Oden can still be a fantastic player. He just won't ever be Shaquille O'Neal.

You were done the moment you compared Oden to Shaq.

Nope, it was an off-hand comment that you can ignore if you like.

One of the worst posts in a long time.

MrJayremmie · 05-09-2008, 09:14 AM

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don't know why i bother anymore, but what the hell...

here's fact for you:
shaq's stats as a freshman and being 10 months younger than oden: 13.9 pts, 12 rebs, 3.6 blks
oden's stats as a freshman and being 10 months older than shaq: 15.7 pts, 9.6 rebs, 3.3 blks

i don't know how i can make it more simpler for you, but this is all the numbers that we have to compare oden to o'neal so far.

at THIS point during their careers, even taking in the 10 months difference in age, how you can say that o'neal is the "much better player without question" is beyond me.

exactly. LOL. at least he is trying...

GOD · 05-09-2008, 09:42 AM

The only thing that EHL seemed to have right is that even though Oden is extremely athletically gifted, Shaq was a tad more gifted. I am drawing this conclusion based on pre-draft measurements. Shaq had a max vert of 35 compared to 34 for Oden, but weighed 46 more pounds. That 35" vert is simply amazing considering he weighed a whopping 303lbs. But, there is no player in the recent past that more closely resembles Odens ability than Shaq, and even though I think Shaq was a tad better at the time and was an incredible player in his prime, Oden also has a few things in his favor that Shaq did not. Oden has a better FT% by a mile, and word is that this year in practice his shooting sroke was really nice out to 15'. Also, Oden has not shown the propensity to be fat like shaq did. For example, in the pre-draft measurements, shaq's body fat % was 12.2, but Oden's was a very low 7.8. I think it is likely that Oden will never be as good as Shaq, but I do think that he will be close. Oden will still be a monster and the best center in the NBA if he can stay healthy.

BuckW4GM · 05-09-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GOD

The only thing that EHL seemed to have right is that even though Oden is extremely athletically gifted, Shaq was a tad more gifted. I am drawing this conclusion based on pre-draft measurements. Shaq had a max vert of 35 compared to 34 for Oden, but weighed 46 more pounds. That 35" vert is simply amazing considering he weighed a whopping 303lbs. But, there is no player in the recent past that more closely resembles Odens ability than Shaq, and even though I think Shaq was a tad better at the time and was an incredible player in his prime, Oden also has a few things in his favor that Shaq did not.

that was my contention all along. there is not a doubt that shaq was a freak of nature and likely, no player has matched his physical ability. but oden comes close, very close. to say that shaq was a "much better player without question" is ridiculous if you look back at what each players accomplished during the same period of their careers.

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