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05-09-2008, 11:31 AM
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Re: So, Kiki's The Nets New GM
Harris or nothing 
Jack, Outlaw and pick for Harris
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05-09-2008, 11:36 AM
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Re: So, Kiki's The Nets New GM
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So what your claiming as fact is in all actuality just your OPINION which is based on no outside sources, only what you yourself formed in your mind. Devon Harris has done nothing to improve his stock. He's the exact same player that he was in Dallas. People like you and GOD act like he's suddenly turned into basketball Jesus. You guys really just prove that you didn't know jack about Harris before the trade. He's done nothing new so why would Rod Thorn change his mind?
Rod Thorn wanted Jack before Dallas was in the trade picture and they wanted Jack once Dallas became involved. Nothing has changed since then.
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And you know this because you follow the Nets right?
He had his career high in assists as a NETS player. Matter of fact if you go his player page on NBA.com, most of his career highs have come in a Nets uniform. Are you still going to say nothing changed?
The fact of the matter is there are very few good young point guards in the league. It doesnt make any sense for the Nets to trade away one of the very few good ones. Jack is not as good as Harris, thats a given.
Everything that has come out from Nets after the Harris trade has shown that they are thrilled with him. He isnt going anywhere
Just a recent article on him
http://www.nba.com/nets/news/Devin_H....html?rss=true
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05-09-2008, 11:38 AM
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Re: So, Kiki's The Nets New GM
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So what your claiming as fact is in all actuality just your OPINION which is based on no outside sources, only what you yourself formed in your mind. Devon Harris has done nothing to improve his stock. He's the exact same player that he was in Dallas. People like you and GOD act like he's suddenly turned into basketball Jesus. You guys really just prove that you didn't know jack about Harris before the trade. He's done nothing new so why would Rod Thorn change his mind?
Rod Thorn wanted Jack before Dallas was in the trade picture and they wanted Jack once Dallas became involved. Nothing has changed since then.
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Except Kiki is the GM now...
And Harris is much more valuable than Jack, the trade talks were Jack+pieces and filler for Kidd, so the Nets would get younger with more pieces and not have to deal with Kidd's constant complaining/declining game. You know what? They did that, in spades, with the trade from Dallas where they got Harris/Diop, expirings, and picks. There was speculation that KP was trying to get in on that and offer Jack+pieces to take Harris and maybe a bad contract back, but obviously that didn't happen, Thorn got a much better young PG and didn't need to get Jack.
He's one of their top 3 players if not their best long term player to build around, there's no way you trade that for a couple of mediocre bench players and a late lottery pick. There may have been a chance when the initial Kidd trade went down to sneak in there as a third party, but now in a 2 team swap there just isn't any way to get Harris with what we would be willing to offer.
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05-09-2008, 11:50 AM
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I'm so tired of this debate. Blazer fans thinking we can steal Harris and Nets fans getting all defensive and saying there's no chance in hell. Can we stop?
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05-09-2008, 11:53 AM
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And you know this because you follow the Nets right?
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No jack*ss, I know this because Chad Ford said it on national television. Chad Ford > than your unfounded opinion and giant ego.
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05-09-2008, 11:57 AM
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Chad Ford 
At least use a reporter that actually follows Nets basketball. Thats like me taking Skip Bayless seriously because he works for ESPN |
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05-09-2008, 12:51 PM
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I'm so tired of this debate. Blazer fans thinking we can steal Harris and Nets fans getting all defensive and saying there's no chance in hell. Can we stop?
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Nope.
That's what this board is for.
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05-09-2008, 12:53 PM
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Sigh* once again Thorn might have liked Jack when the Harris trade was not possible but as of now Harris is NOT going anywhere. Harris is untouchable
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Prepare for lots more of this as the off-season drones on.
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05-09-2008, 01:13 PM
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dear god please stop citing Chad Ford.
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05-09-2008, 01:26 PM
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HB, stay blazed has been on this kick for a week and there is no getting through to him. Might as well save your breath, he won't listen.
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05-09-2008, 05:22 PM
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Why is it somedays when I open a thread I feel like I just popped a whole bottle of crazy pills?
Harris somehow involved in a trade for Jack and other blazer filler? Good god.
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05-09-2008, 05:47 PM
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I dont know why some of you guys want RJ....He is a talented player for sure. but after watching every one of his games the last 3 years, he is not a good defender (even vince played better D than him this year), he is not a good teammate in the sense that once he gets the ball, its like a black hole and he just wont pass it very often, and he doesnt run as good as he used to..back in the 2003 days when he would run and dunk every play. maybe that will change when harris gets a training camp under his belt, but as of now, RJ has really disappointed me and I advise you to stay clear...
as for harris, i am pretty sure he is untouchable. thorn really is infatuated with him. he wont be a CP3 or DWill, but he is really fast, pretty good offensively, and his reputation is that he is a good defensively (I did not see it last year with the nets). So dont get your hopes up on him.
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05-09-2008, 06:28 PM
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i wouldn't call that "a fair bit." more like sending them our left overs. harris and jefferson are two of the 3 top players on their team. the players you want to send to them to get jefferson and harris are all deep bench players. i think that's far from fair.  |
I hear you. And I know you have to give to get. As I said, the Nets might well not be interested. By "a fair bit" what I meant was that there were a lot of pieces, not necessarily that they'd like those piece.
I brought it up only because trades pretty regularly happen for reasons that mystify most fans. The Gasol trade is an extreme example but lots of deals happen more for financial reasons than talent reasons. I don't have any idea what the situation is in New Jersey -- I'm guessing they're all kinds of ready to build around Harris. However, Kiki might want to blow everything up (as he did in Denver) in which case....
Also, the players I suggested sending might become "deep bench players" on this team as soon as next season, but I think both Frye and Outlaw were main rotation guys this season and would start on something like half the teams in the league. If they've got financial troubles taking on LaFrentz, getting cash outright, Frye and Outlaw (both good, young, and relatively inexpensive players), and picks might interest them. Beyond that, Kiki's track record for brilliant moves can't touch KP's. 
Regardless, I'm clear it wouldn't be a fair trade, talentwise.
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