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Old 05-09-2008, 12:44 PM   #16 (permalink)
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You've been playing in fantasy leagues too long - where stats are the only issue, where teamwork and team chemistry don't count! Mello will never make anybody around him any better. In fact, he will only detract from those around him with ball-hogging, unbelievably poor shot-selection and lousy defense.
I do not play fantasy sports. And last time I checked, our team needed a dominating scorer. We already have all the other pieces. We do not need a complete well rounded SF. We need someone to score.

And I believe that our chemistry is strong enough that if we bring someone in, it will not ruin it. That is just me though.

We have Roy to make ppl around him better. We don't need Mello to do that. Just to score.
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Old 05-09-2008, 12:47 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Feeling Mello?

Well we do have Rudy coming, who is a damn good scorer. LMA is turning into an awesome post scorer also. Roy and Oden won't be bad either. Roy is a 20ppg scorer.

IMO, if we get a SF he should be a defender, and a smart player who will do dirty work, get extra possesions, rebound, assist, and play within' the offense without demanding shots.

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He has the talent to be a good defender. But he just doesn't seem to care about it. His team really needed him and Allen to step up on the defensive end, and they didn't.
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Pass... which is something Melo doesn't like to do.

I loved watching him in the playoffs. During one timeout, Karl emphasized that he wanted to see more ball movement, as the Nuggets weren't getting good quality looks.

Right after the timeout, Melo flung up a long, errant three.
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I do not play fantasy sports. And last time I checked, our team needed a dominating scorer. We already have all the other pieces. We do not need a complete well rounded SF. We need someone to score.

And I believe that our chemistry is strong enough that if we bring someone in, it will not ruin it. That is just me though.

We have Roy to make ppl around him better. We don't need Mello to do that. Just to score.

Nonsense. Anytime you have a player that can't defend you have a weakness that other teams can exploit. A chain breaks at it's weakest point.
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Denver will not take role players for him. IMO it would be too risky for Portland to give up anything but role players for him. So I don't see a match here.
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Nonsense. Anytime you have a player that can't defend you have a weakness that other teams can exploit. A chain breaks at it's weakest point.
i agree with you that żou can't have a player that doesn't exist on D but melo certainly CAN play D, his biggest problem is his work ethic on the court, and i see that changing with the players in portland, they are equally-aged, and they play with much heart and intensity, plus they are all about the team, i think that would inspire melo to play with more heart, and having Oden in the middle of the D certainly won't make melo look worse than he already does
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Even Darius Miles is a better fit on Portland than Camelo Anthony. Denver wouldn't even think to consider a straight Roy for Melo trade either. It would require a star and gutting the roster to get him.

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I do not play fantasy sports. And last time I checked, our team needed a dominating scorer. We already have all the other pieces. We do not need a complete well rounded SF. We need someone to score.

And I believe that our chemistry is strong enough that if we bring someone in, it will not ruin it. That is just me though.

We have Roy to make ppl around him better. We don't need Mello to do that. Just to score.
I don't agree that we need a "dominating" scorer. Though, if we can get one for free, great. Normally they don't give those guys away though, and it would cost one of our core to obtain. And since when did a chucker morph into "dominating"? Lots of guys could average what Melo does if they had a green light and played at that pace. That doesn't make you dominating.

With Oden and Rudy coming soon, and the potential for any of several other young players becoming solid scorers or the team trading multiple assets for a vet who can score, I think the Blazers are looking to build a team where there is plenty of BALANCED scoring.

More like the Pistons, where they WIN some games in the playoffs with not one guy scoring over 20. With a future Blazers roster looking like it will be stuffed with guys that can get you 20, I don't think the most pressing need for the Blazers is a "dominating" scorer - especially one that "dominates" by making sure they hoist up enough shots and drive into triple-teams often enough to make sure they get 25 or 30 every night.

The ideal Small Forward for the Blazers would be a feared 3pt shooter to spread the floor (not Melo), be a lockdown perimeter defender (not Melo), be able to handle the ball and pass like a point forward (not Melo), and be able to take his guy off the dribble (ok, Melo wins one). I think the first two are most important, and yet even limiting to two criteria makes it hard to find an ideal match. Usually you have to trade off defensive ability with ability to nail the long-ball.
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I don't agree that we need a "dominating" scorer. Though, if we can get one for free, great. Normally they don't give those guys away though, and it would cost one of our core to obtain. And since when did a chucker morph into "dominating"? Lots of guys could average what Melo does if they had a green light and played at that pace. That doesn't make you dominating.

With Oden and Rudy coming soon, and the potential for any of several other young players becoming solid scorers or the team trading multiple assets for a vet who can score, I think the Blazers are looking to build a team where there is plenty of BALANCED scoring.

More like the Pistons, where they WIN some games in the playoffs with not one guy scoring over 20. With a future Blazers roster looking like it will be stuffed with guys that can get you 20, I don't think the most pressing need for the Blazers is a "dominating" scorer - especially one that "dominates" by making sure they hoist up enough shots and drive into triple-teams often enough to make sure they get 25 or 30 every night.

The ideal Small Forward for the Blazers would be a feared 3pt shooter to spread the floor (not Melo), be a lockdown perimeter defender (not Melo), be able to handle the ball and pass like a point forward (not Melo), and be able to take his guy off the dribble (ok, Melo wins one). I think the first two are most important, and yet even limiting to two criteria makes it hard to find an ideal match. Usually you have to trade off defensive ability with ability to nail the long-ball.
i know this is a bit off-topic, but what do you think about making a move for caron butler then? his stock is not insanely high, and wizards could be looking for a the cap-relief of raef's expiring, for signing arenas and jamison, of course it would also take a pretty good player, but not necessarily one of "the big three" in portland, to obtain him, just a thought?
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i know this is a bit off-topic, but what do you think about making a move for caron butler then? his stock is not insanely high, and wizards could be looking for a the cap-relief of raef's expiring, for signing arenas and jamison, of course it would also take a pretty good player, but not necessarily one of "the big three" in portland, to obtain him, just a thought?
Butler would be great. Still not a perfect match though. Not the defender/ feared 3pt shooter I think are the top priorities.

However, I do think his stock is real high right now. He just completed his best season by far. Only durability questions keep him from being untouchable. I don't think we could get him for our non-core assets.
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Man... that'd be a huge risk if we took him on. I don't think he's the second coming of Darius, though.

I see 'Melo as that type of player that KP talked about earlier that when you develop a culture, that players will adjust to it and behave.. much like Randy Moss with the Pats.
With that said, I don't think the Blazers have developed that culture yet. Heck, we haven't even made the playoffs yet in awhile. It's tempting however IMO. I don't know if 'Melo is that different of a player than a Rashard Lewis defensively, and we all wanted Lewis last year for Zach.
He is only 24, and a premier scorer in the NBA at SF. I wouldn't give up Roy, Aldridge or Oden for Melo, but if we got him, I wouldn't be up in arms... it'd be crazy if we had our core of Roy/Melo/Aldrige/Oden. It'd be a risk though.
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Nonsense. Anytime you have a player that can't defend you have a weakness that other teams can exploit. A chain breaks at it's weakest point.
But he can easily score on anyone defending him, so it at least evens out. And all we need to do is pull his head out of his *** and get him focused. Maybe that would come with a trade?!

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You don't really believe that do you?! You think Miles is better then Carmello for Portland if we had to choose??
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Butler would be great. Still not a perfect match though. Not the defender/ feared 3pt shooter I think are the top priorities.

However, I do think his stock is real high right now. He just completed his best season by far. Only durability questions keep him from being untouchable. I don't think we could get him for our non-core assets.
he is a very decent defender, definately above average in man-to-man defence, and i honestly think that jamison and arenas are attrackting the main focus of the wizards front office right atm. and thats a nightmare, figuering out saleries, his 3-point shooting has shown steady improvement, and he sure has the point-forward abilities?
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i know this is a bit off-topic, but what do you think about making a move for caron butler then? his stock is not insanely high, and wizards could be looking for a the cap-relief of raef's expiring, for signing arenas and jamison, of course it would also take a pretty good player, but not necessarily one of "the big three" in portland, to obtain him, just a thought?
I really like Butler's game. I think he's actually the Wizards' best player, and is the heart and soul of that team. I don't think Washington would ever give him up.
I'd take him though on this team. He's a really good player.. one of the most underrated in the league.
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I really like Butler's game. I think he's actually the Wizards' best player, and is the heart and soul of that team. I don't think Washington would ever give him up.
I'd take him though on this team. He's a really good player.. one of the most underrated in the league.
i simply put think that wizards put the package of jamison/arenas over butler, by giving