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Old 05-27-2008, 09:01 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Re: Fair deal for Kirk Hinrich?

How the hell is it better? lol calm down tiger do you need a tissue?

I would take my lineup over yours no prob.
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:03 AM   #77 (permalink)
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Re: Fair deal for Kirk Hinrich?

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So we are going to tie up some $18 mil for several years to get THIS LINEUP?

Hinrich\Blake\Sergio
Roy\Rudy\Jack
Noci*\Webster\Jones
LMA\Noci*\McBob
Oden\Joel

How the hell is it better than this lineup, where we do nothing???? On top of it, we will $18 mil more flexible in 2009?

Roy/Blake/#13/Koponen
Rudy/Roy/Webster/Blake
Outlaw/Webster/Jones
LMA/Frye/Outlaw
Oden/Pryz/Frye

Hinrich is not the answer.

Since we haven't seen Rudy play, Hinrich is better than he is. Hinrich would become our best defender as soon as he was traded.

Nocioni is by far a better all around player than Travis. Two upgrades at possitions we need upgrades at
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:09 AM   #78 (permalink)
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Since we haven't seen Rudy play, Hinrich is better than he is. Hinrich would become our best defender as soon as he was traded.

Nocioni is by far a better all around player than Travis. Two upgrades at possitions we need upgrades at
Now there is a gem of logic. Care to elaborate on that pearl, MM?
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:21 AM   #79 (permalink)
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Now there is a gem of logic. Care to elaborate on that pearl, MM?
Sure. We have no idea how Rudy's game will translate to the NBA. I think he will be good, as does KP, Nate and others within the Blazers and obviously a lot of other people. Then again Sergio, Jiri Welsch, Sergei Monya and Veektor projected well in the NBA too. You just never know

Hinrich is already a good PG, and was named to the all defensive 2nd team in the NBA. And he is still pretty young
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Sure. We have no idea how Rudy's game will translate to the NBA. I think he will be good, as does KP, Nate and others within the Blazers and obviously a lot of other people. Then again Sergio, Jiri Welsch, Sergei Monya and Veektor projected well in the NBA too. You just never know

Hinrich is already a good PG, and was named to the all defensive 2nd team in the NBA. And he is still pretty young
So using your logic: Joe Schmoe who lives in outer Mongolia has never seen Michael Jordan play. But he has seen some guy down the street play. Therefore the guy down the street is a better player than MJ.
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:32 AM   #81 (permalink)
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Now there is a gem of logic. Care to elaborate on that pearl, MM?
I'd love to.

Hinrich = known commodity
Rudy = unknown commodity

unknown commodity = null until defined.

therefore
Hinrich > Rudy until November.
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Since we haven't seen Rudy play, Hinrich is better than he is. Hinrich would become our best defender as soon as he was traded.

Nocioni is by far a better all around player than Travis. Two upgrades at possitions we need upgrades at
ROFL, wrong. I take Brandon Roy's defense over Hinrich any day. Oh yeah, Greg Oden will be our best defensive player. Why do people think Hinrich is a lock down defensive player? Dwayne Wade and Rip get theres regularly playing against Hinrich.

Hinrich is not better than Rudy. You are crazy to say that. Granted, we don't know how could Rudy will be in the NBA but his track record is a lot more established than the other European players you mentioned. Rudy is a rare 50/40/90 guy. Hinrich is a 40/35/80 guy who averaged a measly 11 pts last year.
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I'd love to.

Hinrich = known commodity
Rudy = unknown commodity

unknown commodity = null until defined.

therefore
Hinrich > Rudy until November.
Remind me not to let you argue a case for me. Unbelievable. Hinrich is a known commodity of mediocrity in the NBA. On the other hand, Rudy is the best player outside the NBA. Until November, this is true:

Rudy ?????? Hinrich

Chances are, Rudy will be a lot better than Hinrich.
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Remind me not let you argue a case for me. Unbelievable. Hinrich is a known commodity of mediocrity in the NBA. On the other hand, Rudy is the best player outside the NBA.


Wow, unbelievable is right!

This is why people think PDX overvalues their players.....
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Remind me not to let you argue a case for me. Unbelievable. Hinrich is a known commodity of mediocrity in the NBA. On the other hand, Rudy is the best player outside the NBA. Until November, this is true:

Rudy ?????? Hinrich

Chances are, Rudy will be a lot better than Hinrich.
You asked for the logic ... It wasn't my logic, I was just 'splaining to you that there was indeed a flow of logic buried under the assumption.

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Wow, unbelievable is right!

This is why people think PDX overvalues their players.....
Dude, its not just me that says that. A lot of experts have been saying that.
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Dude, its not just me that says that. A lot of experts have been saying that.
Dude. Experts have been wrong before (Kwame Brown, Andreas Bargnani, Adam Morrison, etc.)

I'm hopeful that Rudy will become an outstanding shooting guard for the blazers, but is he a better point guard than Kirk Hinrich? All of this is purely academic at this point, and the simple fact of the matter is that we A) don't know how a Hinrich/Roy backcourt would operate together, and B) we don't know how a Roy/Rudy backcourt will fucntion together.

Maybe if we could all stop claiming to "know" how things are going to shake out, the better off for everyone. No?
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Dude. Experts have been wrong before (Kwame Brown, Andreas Bargnani, Adam Morrison, etc.)

I'm hopeful that Rudy will become an outstanding shooting guard for the blazers, but is he a better point guard than Kirk Hinrich? All of this is purely academic at this point, and the simple fact of the matter is that we A) don't know how a Hinrich/Roy backcourt would operate together, and B) we don't know how a Roy/Rudy backcourt will fucntion together.

Maybe if we could all stop claiming to "know" how things are going to shake out, the better off for everyone. No?
What are you talking about? How a player does OUTSIDE the NBA is a known quantity. Just look at Rudy's stat this year. He played for the best league aside from the NBA, and he is the best. Its not even a contest.
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