Balian

He was just using his logic. In other words, he was illustrating how flawed his logic was. I am glad you agreed.

Balian

So what's your point? There were number one draft picks that have flopped too. Then again, there were number one picks that have turned to be hall of famers. Then again, Dirk went on to win the MVP and Ginobili went on to dominate the NBA Finals. I am simply stating that Rudy is the best player outside the NBA.

World B. Free

Then again, you are pointless to talk with. Then again, I am going to block you! Then again, it will save me the stress of reading your idiocy. Then again, I can't wait to block you!!!

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Balian

Then again, instead of countering my argument with some semblance of a comeback, you chose to use ad hominem attacks. Can you name me a player better than Rudy outside of the NBA? We are not talking about college players either since they are not professionals.

nikolokolus

What am I talking about? Rudy's performance in the NBA is pure speculation at this point, until he laces em up and takes the floor squaring off against the best competition in the world he is absolutly an UNKNOWN quantity. Furthermore, the ACB is a good league but it is NOT necessarily the best league outside of the NBA, and interpolating his stats in that league and making projections about his output in the NBA is still just conjecture.

Having said all of that I think it's probable that he will have a productive NBA career (great foul-shooter, nice outside shooting), but it's far from a guarantee.

Balian

The ONLY thing I have wrote is that Rudy is the best player outside the NBA. Unless you have some argument with that, you are barking up the wrong tree. I speculated that Rudy will probably be a better player than Hinrich, nothing more. He is a 50/40/90 player in Europe. There is not a lot of those in Europe, let alone in the NBA.

GOD

Well, there are better players and prospect in the NCAA, which is outside the NBA. Beasly for example

As far as Europe, there are a lot of really good players who many would consider better at the moment, but without the potential of Rudy, like Ramūnas Šiškauskas 60/41/81 (in a harder league than ACB) for example. Then there are players in Europe with lesser stats but more potential like Rubio or Gallinari, who are both significantly younger. Better is very subjective.

I am not saying he is not the best player in Europe (I am saying he is most likely not better than all the NCAA players) but cases can easily be made for may other players including Diamantidis, Siskauskas, Papaloukas, Langdon, Fortis, Splitter, Lavrinovic and McIntiyre. Also, Marc Gasol if you consider him outside the NBA. Certainly, not all these players are better than Rudy, but at the moment, some probably are. Those that are, do not have the potential that Rudy has. But all the players I listed in this paragraph aside from Gasol are in the Euroleague this year, unlike Rudy, which is a better league than ACB.

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Balian

Let me clarify. Outside the NBA refers to professional players outside the NBA. The NCAA is not a professional league. All those players you have listed are great, but I am still of the opinion, with his body of work and potential, Rudy Fernandez is the best player outside the NBA. Don't get me wrong, Marc Gasol is great but hell, he wasn't even the first option for his team. You are correct, this is completely subjective but it is undeniable that Rudy is a special player. Outside of Rose, Beasley, and maybe Mayo, I would be hard press to pass up on Rudy if he had came out this year.

Damian Necronamous

If I were the Blazers, I'd propose a deal of Kirk Hinrich, Thabo Sefolosha and Cedric Simmons for Jarrett Jack, Raef LaFrentz and the 13th pick.

The Bulls get substantial future cap relief to use towards re-signing all their solid young guys (Gordon, Deng, Noah, #1 pick, possibly Thomas, possibly #13 pick). Meanwhile, the Blazers get Hinrich and a couple salary-fillers who are certainly worth a shot. In fact, Sefolosha would probably fit in perfectly on the Blazers, as his length on the defensive end would cause a lot of damage when teamed up with Travis Outlaw and Greg Oden.

Portland Trailblazers
PG: Kirk Hinrich...Steve Blake...Sergio Rodriguez
SG: Brandon Roy...Rudy Fernandez(?)...Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Martell Webster...Travis Outlaw...James Jones(?)
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge...Channing Frye...Cedric Simmons
C: Greg Oden...Joel Przybilla

Chicago Bulls
PG: Derrick Rose...Jarrett Jack
SG: Ben Gordon(?)...Larry Hughes
SF: Luol Deng(?)...Andres Nocioni
PF: Drew Gooden...Tyrus Thomas
C: Joakim Noah...Aaron Gray
Plus, the 13th pick in there somewhere

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B-Roy

WRONG. Best league outside of the NBA is the Euroleague, and Rudy didn't even play in the Euroleague.

He's a good prospect, but best player outside of the NBA? No way.

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Fork

Well, he played in the Euroleague last season and was 5th in scoring per game. (Tied for 3rd per 40/pace adjusted) His numbers in the ACB the same season were very similar.

So considering his improvement this season in the ACB, it's not a stretch to think he would have increased his Euroleague numbers as well. It's completely possible that he is the best pro player not in the NBA.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...ndez-22/stats/

And even if he's only the 2nd or 3rd best...who cares? He's still a stud.

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Balian

Yes, he is the best player outside the NBA ...at least viable. If you are so confident of your assertion, name me a player that is better than him. I have not seen any names yet.

B-Roy

GOD already named a bunch, and you're the one who said Rudy was playing in the best league outside of the NBA.

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