B-Roy

I know there's a thread on Hinrich, but I want to discuss this trade in particular.

This is dependent on Chicago selecting Rose.

POR sends

-#13
-Webster/Frye
-Raef Lafrentz
-Jack if needed (Probably not)

CHI sends

-Kirk Hinrich
-Andres Nocioni

The general consensus from Chicago fans is a thumbs up.

What do Portland fans think?

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Balian

No. We should just wade it out until next summer. Reaf's contract is valuable because there is only one year left. Kirk still has 3-4 years left at $9+ million per. See what we actually need after integrating Oden/Rudy/lottery pick/Pettri Kopenen.

Sambonius

I'm not thrilled at the idea of acquiring Kirk because his shooting woes scare the **** out of me. I think guys who aren't as good on the defensive end but far superior on the offensive like Barbosa, Mo Williams, or the Raptors duo could be better. Saying that, if Pritchard believes Kirk would be a great fit then I support him in his decision. Kirk's value is in the absolute pits right now, we could probably get away with trading Raef, Jack, and this year's pick for him. I still like the idea of Barbosa more.

Reep

x2.

I don't really care for Hinrich, and would rather stay put. But, if KP likes him, then in KP I trust. I would rather keep Webster out of the deal though.

alext42083

I'm coming around to the idea of bringing in Hinrich if KP and the gang believe he's the next big piece to the puzzle.
This guy is not a bum player. The Bulls were in disarray last year. I'm not too high on sending Webster out though. If the Bulls would want Frye, I'd part with him.

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B-Roy

He had a bad year, but that doesn't mean he's a bad player. His value is also lower which is one of the reasons we can get him for a mediocre package like this.

I find it funny how everyone seems high on drafting Westbrook because of his defensive ability, when Hinrich is an even better defender and a seasoned veteran. Two things this team desperately needs.

At the price of a pick we probably aren't going to use, an expiring contract, and one of our young players, I think it's the perfect deal. We also bring in Nocioni, who also gives us more depth at the SF position.

At some point, if the right deal comes along, you just have to pull the trigger.

Part of me thinks it's better to send Webster. There will be too many SFs and SGs for Webster to get as many minutes as he did this year.

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Sambonius

Keep Webster out the deal and let Jones go. I would suggest that one of Frye or Outlaw must go, but I like both and would only be willing to give either up for someone of greater value, such as Calderon, Harris, or even Barbosa. I've spent a lot of time watching Kirk and while is defensive is very good, his shooting is regularly abysmal. I think it is necessary to have a consistent shooter at the PG position, as there will almost certainly be players who sag to cover the likes of Oden or Aldridge. Kirk frightens me with that. I'd sacrifice a little defense in order to get some better shooting. Barbosa and Mo Williams look like good options here, although their defense is suspect. This lineup looks pretty good though if we gave up Frye, Jack, and Raef for Kirk and Nocioni.

PG- Kirk, Blake, Sergio
SG- Roy, Rudy
SF- Webster, Nocioni
PF- Aldridge, Outlaw or Fye
C- Oden, Joel

I'm probably a bigger fan of Nocioni than I am Kirk.

B-Roy

Are you talking about this season? His shot started to look good last season but then he started failing.....well the whole Bulls team did. I think he's at least a decent shooter. Especially with the amount of open looks he'll be getting w/ the Blazers.

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Sambonius

I watched less of him last season than seasons prior. People say he had a bad year last year, but I think that it is more of the norm for him than an anomaly. He shot worse his first 2 years in the league, and just about the same his third as he did last year. He's only had one season where he shot at a decent clip with referring to field goal percentage. That is very bad. He's just not reliable enough to have as your starting PG, especially with the contract he has. I think you'd be better off with a Derek Fisher. Our point guard must shoot the ball well, and only 1 season for Kirk has been just that.

B-Roy

I think his shot is starting to come around. Everyone on the Bulls team took a big dip in FG% this year. I'm confident Hinrich will be able to shoot, but it's not like he really needs to shoot much anyways.

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deanwoof

for those that are *****ing about brining in hinrich's contract, what about bringing in both hinrich and nocioni?? do you realize that is 3 and 4 years, respectively? i guess that would round out the core of Hinrich, Roy, Nocioni, Lama and Oden. With Rudy, Outlaw, Joel and Blake as our 9 man rotation. Not too shabby if you ask me. Every year bring in a seasoned vet and a solid rookie?

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Sambonius

Do you realize that last year he shot BETTER than his first two years in the league and just about the same as his third season in the league? If you look at his history, you would see that this type of shooting for Kirk is pretty regular for him. He only had 1 season in his NBA career where he shot at a pretty good clip. He will definitly need to shoot to keep the defense honest, or teams will just double the likes of Oden and Aldridge. I don't think he's the answer.

B-Roy

Then who is? At least shooting a decent clip in one season means he is capable of shooting well.

Our future point certainly isn't in the draft, if you weigh so much on offense. Nor is it in any of the other PGs you mentioned because they'd likely be too expensive, or they are just downright terrible on defense. Wasn't in the consensus that we needed a great defender at the PG position? Now there's a chance to obtain Hinrich on the cheap and people are saying it's a bad idea?

I don't think our offense isn't going to be as big of an issue as you're making it out to be. If anything, Hinrich is only going to help our offense with his good passing skills. Hinrich can shoot.....I really don't think that's a problem.

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