wizmentor

Apparently, Shaun Livingston is about to become an unrestricted free agent:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9007

For those of you who don't know, Livingston was a high draft pick who has
a lot of promise. A talented point guard who's big enough to play 2G or
even SF (though he's thin). He's had injury after injury, and the latest
is very bad. Uninjured he had more upside than Devin Harris, but he's
always been injured.

Should we offer him a contract?

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MrJayremmie

All depends on how he is recovering from his injury. And when/if he comes back, will he be close to 100% and not just a shell of his old self?

He is one of my favorite players, but it would take a lot of convincing on his part for me to offer him something.

If he proves that he is recovering well, and will be good to go by next year, then i'd offer him money in a heart beat, as i think he is a great PG, and will be amazing.

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wizmentor

It's a stats thing to me. In my mind there's about a 15% chance of McBob becoming
one of our top 8 players. If there's about a 20% that SL recovers enough to
become one of our top 8 players, then you go with SL.

Yes, that's an oversimplification, but it's the main idea.

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"Bayless is going to be that guy where, you know, Nate goes 'Oh you put in your second unit to give your starters a rest? Well, watch this.' And he's going to throw in Bayless and he's going to point to that second unit point guard and he's going to say 'Eat Him Alive', and Jarryd probably will."

---Dave Deckard of BlazersEdge

Shaq: Hey Thorpe, I'm getting sized for a thumb ring
SportsNation David Thorpe: I guess your wife is back in your life. Congrats.

meru

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dkap

1) He won't fully recover from that injury, and 2) he'll have many more injuries in the future if he does attempt to return. Not worth signing to anything above a minimum contract, because his contributions will be very spotty.

Dan

deanwoof

No. Look at Jay Williams (the good one). People said he'd be back after his injury. Never made it. And he was a tough player in college.

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wizmentor

Different situation. Jay Williams is a small PG whose game is predicted
on quickness. SL has better court vision, and he's much taller. These
combined with his quickness is why he was so highly regarded. If his
full quickness doesn't return, he could still be as quick as, say, Steve Blake.

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"Bayless is going to be that guy where, you know, Nate goes 'Oh you put in your second unit to give your starters a rest? Well, watch this.' And he's going to throw in Bayless and he's going to point to that second unit point guard and he's going to say 'Eat Him Alive', and Jarryd probably will."

---Dave Deckard of BlazersEdge

Shaq: Hey Thorpe, I'm getting sized for a thumb ring
SportsNation David Thorpe: I guess your wife is back in your life. Congrats.

Paxil

No... I don't think we should. I seriously doubt he will be able to play again... but if he can prove he can then maybe it makes sense. He will get to choose where he wants to go if he can come back... but even then... I imagine he will always have problems. He is lucky he can walk right.

Mr. Chuck Taylor

It's a gamble, but it could pan out. My first instinct tells me that the Clippers know more about his situation than anyone, and if they aren't willing to offer him a contract, we probably shouldn't either.

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wizmentor

It's not true that the Clips are not willing to offer him a
vet. min. contract, they're just not willing to offer the $5 mil variety.

Neither would I.

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"Bayless is going to be that guy where, you know, Nate goes 'Oh you put in your second unit to give your starters a rest? Well, watch this.' And he's going to throw in Bayless and he's going to point to that second unit point guard and he's going to say 'Eat Him Alive', and Jarryd probably will."

---Dave Deckard of BlazersEdge

Shaq: Hey Thorpe, I'm getting sized for a thumb ring
SportsNation David Thorpe: I guess your wife is back in your life. Congrats.

meru

Having been a part-time Clippers fan while in LA, I can say that you should never assume that the Clippers (as an organization) know more about anything than anyone.

I forgot about Jay Williams. I was thinking more of the just-retired MVP of the D-League, the OTHER Livingston (Randy). He was viewed as a potential superstar (big PG, amazing vision) coming out of college but injured his knee and never made it (and even got his luggage stolen by Ruben Patterson). Also, don't forget Bobby Hurley, although he's more in the Williams mold.

Now, surgery improves every year (thank the gods, otherwise Oden would be done for good) but I think Livingston is lucky to be WALKING, let alone playing basketball. It's sad, but there it is.

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mediocre man

If you could get him for a short term contract at the minimum then you should do it. That would make him the ideal low risk high reward type of player

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Oldmangrouch

I'm not intimately familiar with NBA contract rules. How much could we offer him as a *nonguaranteed* contract?

If the contract had to be guaranteed,but was for the minimum, I would still consider it...contingent on what the medical report had to say. The kid is worth some degree of risk - the question is just "how much?"

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