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06-19-2008, 08:44 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
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06-19-2008, 09:18 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
I think Pritchard has to do something to clear out the roster...with adding Rudy & Oden, there are just aren't the minutes to go around to keep everyone happy...
I know Pritchard today said that POR isn't a playoff team yet, so having enough minutes for everyone shouldn't be an issue at this point...and that he wants to see how each player fits with Oden...both valid points...but then he says that this is a good group of guys and that chemistry is good...which again is a very good thing, but if he really thinks that chemistry will remain good when guys like Sergio...who was unhappy with his role last year...Jack...who was unhappy with his lack of minutes last year...and Frye, Webster & Outlaw...one or more of whom will lose significant minutes to Rudy...will all just be happy to be on the team, then he is not thinking clearly...
Even with the best character guys and good chemistry...things like playing time can cause things to go south quickly, and it will effect players trade values as well IMO....
There just is not enough minutes to go around...a few players need to go....
As for trading Outlaw & #13 for #3...I don't have a problem with that trade at all...but I don't think POR would trade all the way up to #3....trading Outlaw in the process...only to draft Westbrook or Alexander...or to then turn around and trade down a few spots from #3....I think if they get to #3...It will be to get Beasley....Who this ENTIRE year was the consensus #1 player by far, and now with 7 days to go to the draft may end up going #3...or going #2 to be traded with another team farther down in the lottery(most likely)....
It would be a brilliant move by Pritchard IMO....to basically use Outlaw and our picks to essentially nab the best player in the draft....brilliant...and bold...
and yes, I think Beasley is more than capable of playing SF...in fact I think he would provide a ruggedness to offset Aldridge's softness...I think the two would compliment each other nicely...
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06-19-2008, 09:23 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
I might just piss my pants if Pritchard pulls off acquiring the 3rd pick for a bench player in Outlaw and our pick. I'll eat Jaric's salary just to see Lima in the stands.
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06-19-2008, 09:28 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
Travis is already better than this draft, which is nothing special at all.
Let's keep things in perspective. Some years just don't have the super talents that others have.
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06-19-2008, 09:29 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
How did Marko Jaric score Adriana Lima, again? Did I miss something?
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06-19-2008, 10:00 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
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Travis is already better than this draft, which is nothing special at all.
Let's keep things in perspective. Some years just don't have the super talents that others have.
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Exactly. I do trust Pritchard, but this draft has basically two sure bets. And only one really excites me. (Rose)I still don't think Beasley fits with Oden and L.A. But it will be fun none the less.
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06-19-2008, 10:05 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
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I think Pritchard has to do something to clear out the roster...with adding Rudy & Oden, there are just aren't the minutes to go around to keep everyone happy...
I know Pritchard today said that POR isn't a playoff team yet, so having enough minutes for everyone shouldn't be an issue at this point...and that he wants to see how each player fits with Oden...both valid points...but then he says that this is a good group of guys and that chemistry is good...which again is a very good thing, but if he really thinks that chemistry will remain good when guys like Sergio...who was unhappy with his role last year...Jack...who was unhappy with his lack of minutes last year...and Frye, Webster & Outlaw...one or more of whom will lose significant minutes to Rudy...will all just be happy to be on the team, then he is not thinking clearly...
Even with the best character guys and good chemistry...things like playing time can cause things to go south quickly, and it will effect players trade values as well IMO....
There just is not enough minutes to go around...a few players need to go....
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I was trying to think of a how to start a thread dedicated to this very topic ... all that precious "chemistry" could end up a smoldering slag heap if we somehow end up with the horde of point guards we're going to have if we don't start clearing room ... I think it's time to seriously consider moving Sergio along with Jack, especially if Petteri is as deserving as Mike Barret seems to think.
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As for trading Outlaw & #13 for #3...I don't have a problem with that trade at all...but I don't think POR would trade all the way up to #3....trading Outlaw in the process...only to draft Westbrook or Alexander...or to then turn around and trade down a few spots from #3....I think if they get to #3...It will be to get Beasley....Who this ENTIRE year was the consensus #1 player by far, and now with 7 days to go to the draft may end up going #3...or going #2 to be traded with another team farther down in the lottery(most likely)....
It would be a brilliant move by Pritchard IMO....to basically use Outlaw and our picks to essentially nab the best player in the draft....brilliant...and bold...
and yes, I think Beasley is more than capable of playing SF...in fact I think he would provide a ruggedness to offset Aldridge's softness...I think the two would compliment each other nicely...
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I just can't envision any scenario where A) any team would be willing to trade away Beasley for our 13th and Travis, and B) KP thinking that he'd actually be a good fit personality-wise with this team.
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06-19-2008, 10:21 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
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Travis is already better than this draft, which is nothing special at all.
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This draft is MUCH better than last year's when the drop off from the top two slots was incredible.
If you wouldn't trade TO for any of the players in the 1-7 slots, you are projecting some serious hopes on Outlaw that I just don't see. Outlaw's production is almost identical to other bench players like John Salmons. He has no handle, is a subpar defender and is pretty much a jump shooter off the bench. I know fans develop connections with players on the roster, but the TO love here can border on the ridiculous at times.
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06-19-2008, 10:34 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
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This draft is MUCH better than last year's when the drop off from the top two slots was incredible.
If you wouldn't trade TO for any of the players in the 1-7 slots, you are projecting some serious hopes on Outlaw that I just don't see. Outlaw's production is almost identical to other bench players like John Salmons. He has no handle, is a subpar defender and is pretty much a jump shooter off the bench. I know fans develop connections with players on the roster, but the TO love here can border on the ridiculous at times.
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Is it love for Outlaw or suspicion for the unproven players in the draft? There seems to be a lot of tweeners this year.
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06-19-2008, 11:01 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
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This draft is MUCH better than last year's when the drop off from the top two slots was incredible.
If you wouldn't trade TO for any of the players in the 1-7 slots, you are projecting some serious hopes on Outlaw that I just don't see. Outlaw's production is almost identical to other bench players like John Salmons. He has no handle, is a subpar defender and is pretty much a jump shooter off the bench. I know fans develop connections with players on the roster, but the TO love here can border on the ridiculous at times.
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Thanks for bringing some homers back to earth. Many seem to think Outlaw is a starter in the league, but he isn't.
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06-19-2008, 11:45 PM
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This draft is MUCH better than last year's when the drop off from the top two slots was incredible.
If you wouldn't trade TO for any of the players in the 1-7 slots, you are projecting some serious hopes on Outlaw that I just don't see. Outlaw's production is almost identical to other bench players like John Salmons. He has no handle, is a subpar defender and is pretty much a jump shooter off the bench. I know fans develop connections with players on the roster, but the TO love here can border on the ridiculous at times.
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if you're going to try to act like you're giving an impartial critique of Travis, why not mention his top skills? Project his minutes out to starter minutes, and he's averaging real close to a block and a steal a game. Only 11 guys did that last year. Most of these 11 are on the NBA-All D teams. I could list them if you like, but basically I'd beg to differ that he's a subpar defender... he's OK and showing some potential. Nate had him guarding everyone from Kobe & Mello to 5s... you don't put someone on Kobe if you're trying to hide a weak defender.
His other best attribute that you forgot to mention is the ability to get his shot off on most anyone even when they know it's coming. This is no minor skill. He has enough of a handle to make that happen. Believe me I know it's not great but it's not non-existent as you claim.
Like Travis, John Salmons had a pretty good year in Sacremento. Also like Travis it was the best of his career. But dude is having his best year when he's 28, and Travis was 23. Who's more likely to continue their upward trend? And don't overlook he's a full size smaller then TO. Other then that, spot on comparison.
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06-19-2008, 11:51 PM
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if you're going to try to act like you're giving an impartial critique of Travis, why not mention his top skills? Project his minutes out to starter minutes, and he's averaging real close to a block and a steal a game. Only 11 guys did that last year. Most of these 11 are on the NBA-All D teams. I could list them if you like, but basically I'd beg to differ that he's a subpar defender... he's OK and showing some potential. Nate had him guarding everyone from Kobe & Mello to 5s... you don't put someone on Kobe if you're trying to hide a weak defender.
His other best attribute that you forgot to mention is the ability to get his shot off on most anyone even when they know it's coming. This is no minor skill. He has enough of a handle to make that happen. Believe me I know it's not great but it's not non-existent as you claim.
Like Travis, John Salmons had a pretty good year in Sacremento. Also like Travis it was the best of his career. But dude is having his best year when he's 28, and Travis was 23. Who's more likely to continue their upward trend? And don't overlook he's a full size smaller then TO. Other then that, spot on comparison.
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No doubt that Travis is a better prospect, I don't think that's a debate. I for one am growing a bit tired to hear people saying they wouldn't give Outlaw to get Beasley or another excellent prospect. I understand he is a good kid but the goal is to upgrade talent, and if it takes trading Travis to get a top college prospect, you do it.
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06-19-2008, 11:52 PM
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Re: Reminder: Courtside on now (955thegame.com)
Travis has a fire lit underneath him..he wants greatness..i wouldn't deal him..JO all over again
just deal rudy and 13 for 3..what makes rudy so untouchable?
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