nikolokolus

Zach playing and succeeding for D'Antoni? It's not outside the realm of possibility. It's not like he'll be expected to play defense or anything, and he's still probably going to get his 20 and 10.

I'm not a Zach fan by any stretch, but if I were the Knicks I'd at least try to put his fat butt on the court and see what he can do in an actual offense -- hell it's the Least-ern conference, D'Antoni alone should probably net them at least 10+ wins over what they had last year under Thomas.

alext42083

And I don't know who the Knicks would want in return.. the Clippers only have seven players under contract according to hoopshype.
No way they give up Gordon or Thornton. And I don't see why the Knicks would want Mobley or Tim Thomas -- as both expire in 2010.. My guess would be Mobley is who they wanted but why.

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Schilly

He's not nothing which is what the Clippers were offering. You said all we got for Zach is Cap Space. You are completely wrong about that fact. Wether what we got is what Zachs value is irrelevant to misidentifying what we did in fact get. The people sputing his 23/10 are still just ticked we didn't get more regardless of the fact that the Knicks are actually getting less in offers for him now.

B-Roy

To be honest, the Knicks are trying to cut capspace right now, so whether or not we got more value for him is irrelevant. Besides, Steve Francis's contract isn't exactly a straight up expiring, so it's not like we got straight up cap-space for him anyways.

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Ed O

Portland arguably got LESS than cap space... while I love that we got Rudy, I would bet that we could have acquired him another way. We got a year of Jones as part of that deal that we otherwise would not have, and we got Frye.

But we also had to pay Francis over $20m ($25m? What was the buyout for? Storyteller has it for $30m) ... for nothing.

I don't blame the Clippers for making the offer to the Knicks, and I don't blame NY for declining.

The trade of Zach was one I considered horrible at the time, and even if I've tempered my opinion since then I still think that it was a bad move from a value perspective.

Ed O.

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2k

The Knicks should have made the deal if they are sure they can make a run at James otherwise you dont give away a 17/10 man. Next to the right talent Randolph can still help. Next to Curry it will never work.

Dan

The knicks would be lucky to get what we got for Zach. And now, who cares?

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Minstrel

Because I thought Portland's trade of Randolph was a poor move.

And cap space is quite overrated. It's almost never leveraged to acquire a difference-maker. Cleaning up the books may "feel good" but outside of saving the owner some money, I don't see any particular benefit to it.

Yes, as I said, those weaknesses are why he's not a superstar. Those weaknesses don't make him useless, let alone of negative value to a team.

As for his scoring dropping this season, he's clearly a bad fit on the Knicks. He basically overlaps with Curry almost 100% (though he's a superior rebounder to Curry) and the team has no distributors. Being a bad fit, though, doesn't mean they should simply downgrade their roster talent for "cap space" (of which they'd still have zero, even with Randolph's salary done).

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B-Roy

It's not in this case. If the Knicks want to make that run at LeBron, they better unload Randolphs horrid contract. Obviously, no one's ponying up anything more than capspace, so they should just accept.


Character issues.

So an ideal situation for him would be a situation where he takes all the shots right? Kind of like how he was in Portland.

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e_blazer1

Value is whatever you can actually get for a player, not what we fans may think the player is worth. The problem is that we're operating without the information that KP had as to how other teams valued a guy like Zach. Sure, it would have been nice to get more for him than we did, but I'm willing to accept at face value KP's statements at the time that this was the best deal available. The decision had been made to move Zach in order to open up PT for Aldridge last season. Given the progress LA made by getting the PT, I think it was a smart move to dump Zach.

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MrJayremmie

cap space > randolph imo.

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