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08-27-2008, 03:03 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
I might have brought this up already but I'm too lazy to see if I did
Nocioni/Hinrich for Outlaw/LaFrentz
You guys probably won't have much cap space next off-season, but you guys would roll with:
PG-Hinrich/Bayless/Blake
SG-Roy/Fernandez/Bayless
SF-Nocioni/Fernandez/Webster
PF-Aldridge/Diogu/Nocioni
C-Oden/Przybilla
Probably make one more move to get rid of all the depth, but I would be comfortable rolling with this team in 2 or 3 years.
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08-27-2008, 03:07 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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I might have brought this up already but I'm too lazy to see if I did
Nocioni/Hinrich for Outlaw/LaFrentz
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The Bulls would be getting ripped off on that deal IMO. The 3 for 1 I posted above is probably a better deal for the Bulls. Raef is nothing more than a $$$ on a piece of paper at this stage of his career, so giving up Nocioni and Hinrich for Outlaw is lopsided in the Blazers' favor. Even more so considering the dwindling 2009 FA class.
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08-27-2008, 03:30 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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The Bulls would be getting ripped off on that deal IMO. The 3 for 1 I posted above is probably a better deal for the Bulls. Raef is nothing more than a $$$ on a piece of paper at this stage of his career, so giving up Nocioni and Hinrich for Outlaw is lopsided in the Blazers' favor. Even more so considering the dwindling 2009 FA class.
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It seems as if the Bulls are gunning for 2010, so Raef would be quite useful.
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08-27-2008, 03:42 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
This would be fantastic news if true. Adding Hinrich may make Portland one of the strongest defensive teams in the league.
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08-27-2008, 05:03 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
If the rumors we've heard over the past few months were true, Pritchard isn't necessarily looking to add a guard with a specific skill set. We've heard whispers of Kirk Hinrich, Mike Conley, Jose Calderon, Leandro Barbosa, and T.J. Ford. These are all different types of guards - facilitators and scorers. The three things they all have in common is they're solid all-around players, young, and experienced.
Steve Blake is another player I'd like to keep in a Blazer uni for life, just not as a starter. He'd played well for Portland last year. I don't see him improving on his game much. Unfortunately Portland still got outplayed regularly at the point guard position. An upgrade is the next logical step.
We already have Jerryd Bayless, who in his own right, is another solid all-around player. He just doesn't have the experience yet. He may very well fit nicely next to Brandon Roy in the starting line-up, but for a team with a brutal beginning schedule and Playoff hopes, he isn't ready. Also, this team already has Oden learning the ropes in the starting unit. Bayless needs to learn the ropes with the second unit.
Teaming up Fernandez and Roy in the backcourt is a mistake. The other team would be able to set up their offense at ease AND it would wear down Rudy and Brandon (chasing after the guards and bring the ball up).
This team needs as good of a guard as it can get. One that can defend smaller guards, play off the ball, shoot well from outside, and is a strong leader. Kirk Hinrich is that guy. Offering Joel and Travis may be steep, but let's be real, they're bench players. Of course they're excellent role players, but they're role players nonetheless. Paying Joel that amount of money to come off the bench doesn't make much sense. Playing Travis at a position that's he proven he can't do very well isn't the best for the team. Now I will contend that they each could start on different teams given the right circumstances. And because of that I'd certainly expect to get another asset, such as a draft pick.
The other thing this move does that I love is it allows Rudy to eventually start at the 3 and increase his role. Yes, he'd be overmatched with most NBA small forwards on the defensive end, but that's fine. At all of our other positions we'd be very strong. Teams would only be able to take advantage of us at that one position. With a smart defensive scheme, McMillan could cover up any defensive deficiencies easier. This allows Rudy more court time which is awesome!
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08-27-2008, 09:43 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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This team needs as good of a guard as it can get. One that can defend smaller guards, play off the ball, shoot well from outside, and is a strong leader.
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Isn't that the kind of player that Bayless is being touted as? Adding another guard to this roster doesn't make much sense to me.
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08-27-2008, 10:04 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
Well Bayless is coming in as a freshman out of college, and how many freshman guards not picked in the top 2 come in and play 30 minutes?
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08-27-2008, 10:18 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Well Bayless is coming in as a freshman out of college, and how many freshman guards not picked in the top 2 come in and play 30 minutes?
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Even then, we'll have enough time to let him adjust before we're truly contending for a title.
Plus, there's Blake, Roy, Fernandez, and Rodriguez that can play the guard position. I'm very against making any moves that doesn't involve a top tier player or a very nice young up and comer; I'm thinking along the lines of Granger or Prince, for instance.
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08-30-2008, 11:11 AM
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Wages of Wins weighs in on Gordon's value.
"When we look at Wins Produced, though, it is clear Gordon’s productivity is inconsistent with the money he is demanding. In fact, given Gordon’s lack of production, it’s not clear that the Bulls should even bother signing Gordon to the offer the team has already made."
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