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08-26-2008, 10:16 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
To be perfectly honest, the only player on the Bulls I'm interested in is Luol Deng. Unless he's on the table, I don't see any real match.
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08-26-2008, 10:17 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Originally Posted by P to the Wee
The title of the his rumor says the Blazers offered Outlaw to the Bulls so KP probably started the talks. He also says the Bulls are reluctant to trade Hinrich which would further prove that Blazers came up with the offer.
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Unless the report is, you know...wrong. 
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08-26-2008, 10:18 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Originally Posted by Minstrel
To be perfectly honest, the only player on the Bulls I'm interested in is Luol Deng. Unless he's on the table, I don't see any real match.
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We would never trade LUOLZ!!!!

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08-26-2008, 10:23 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
With the performance in the gold medal game, I am sure Rudy Fernandez is wanted by many NBA teams right now. Chicago is trying to stir the pot. KP will not take the bait. LOL
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08-26-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Unless the report is, you know...wrong. 
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LOL! Exactly what I was thinking. I mean seriously what percenatge of these rumors of "discussions" are accurate. Let alone completely accurate. Maybe 5%
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08-26-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
Don't we already have a Ben Gordon type of player in Jerryd Bayless?
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08-26-2008, 10:26 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Originally Posted by SheedSoNasty
Don't we already have a Ben Gordon type of player in Jerryd Bayless?
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Under rookie contract as well, unlike Ben 12+ million Gordon
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08-26-2008, 10:27 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
Also, for the record, I think Brandon Roy is a better overall player than Gordon, Gordon is a better overall player than Aldridge. Gordon is just a better SCORER than those two.
Wow at the guy saying that offense is the best part of Outlaw's games. If that's the best he has going for him, well I don't know what to say. The stats don't lie. Just because you don't care about a stat doesn't mean it's not a great metric to measure a player by. Just because you imagine that Outlaw is a good offensive player, doesn't make him one. You don't have a TS% of 50 if you are a good offensive player. You have to be a pretty bad offensive player to get that.
Gordon, Nocioni, Deng, Noah, Gray, Deng, Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, Chris Duhon, and Kirk Hinrich were all more efficient scorers than the Blazers.
So just based on my interpretations of their TS%, this is where the guys fall.
1. Ben Gordon - Good scoring efficiency.
2. Andres Nocioni - Pretty good scoring efficiency.
3. Joakim Noah - Slightly above average scoring efficiency, low volume scorer.
4. Aaron Gray - Average scoring efficiency, low volume scorer.
5. Luol Deng - Average scoring efficiency.
6. Drew Gooden - Below average scoring efficiency.
7. Chris Duhon - bad scoring efficiency.
8. Kirk Hinrich - very poor scoring efficiency, hardly cutting it.
9. Thabo Sefolosha - so bad, he shouldn't see floor time.
10. Tyrus Thomas - so bad, so bad, send him to the D-League.
11. Larry Hughes - you have to be kidding me, how the hell is this guy in the league!
12. Ben Wallace - this has to be the most inefficient scorer in the history of the league!
Look at that. Not hard to see why the Bulls sucked last year. They didn't score efficiently. Why Nocioni/Gordon, the Bulls only two scorers with any kind of good scoring efficiency last year, are the two guys that all fans are trying to ship out of town is beyond me. Completely idiotic imo.
Same metric on the Trailblazers.
1. James Jones - Elite efficiency.
2. Joel Pryzbilla - Elite efficiency.
3. Jarrett Jack - good efficiency.
4. Martell Webster - pretty good efficiency.
5. Brandon Roy - average scoring efficiency.
6. Channing Frye - average scoring efficiency.
7. LaMarcus Aldridge - very slightly below average scoring efficiency.
8. Steve Blake - slightly below average scoring efficiency.
9. Travis Outlaw - bad scoring efficiency, right on the unacceptable mark.
10. Raef Lafrentz - take a seat on the bench, and never come off.
11. Sergio Rodriguez - GTFO of the league...well you won't be staying long anyhow.
See how the Blazers are clearly better across the board than the Bulls. No surprise, they were better than the Bulls last year. The Blazers are an interesting case, since they had a quartet of role players that were their most efficient players, while their two stars were average for the most part, and Greg Oden is a wildcard. If Roy/Aldridge can get in that 55-56% range next year, and the role players (although you traded some of those guys already!) keep their elite efficiency, then it would easily be expected for the Blazers to make the leap up to at least around 50 wins.
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08-26-2008, 10:27 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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LOL! Exactly what I was thinking. I mean seriously what percenatge of these rumors o discussions are accurate. Let alone completely accurate. Maybe 5%
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Tech9 is one of those few people that post few rumors, but accurate rumors.
This is everything that he's reported coming from his profile on his site:
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Tech is noted for breaking several stories days and sometimes weeks before major newspapers had picked up on the stories. Such information includes the Donyell Marshall signing, both Jalen Rose trades, the Eddie Robinson signing, the Jamal Crawford trade, Hoops the Gym information such as Roger Mason Jr’s injury, draft choices such as the picks of Gordon and Deng, fights and confrontations in practice, the Tyson Chandler trade among many other news, information and rumors.
Most recently Tech broke the Ben Wallace for Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden trade. Tech announced the potential deal in December of 2007, almost a full two months before the trade finally went through and was by the far the first person to announce the trade.
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08-26-2008, 10:28 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Don't we already have a Ben Gordon type of player in Jerryd Bayless?
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I know Gordon is already shown he is a real good outside shooter but I actually like Bayless(upside) better because he can drive to the basket and seems to get his shot off in traffic. The Blazers need more players that can drive to the basket and make a shot. We have Roy and Bayless and maybe Rudy look like they can.
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08-26-2008, 10:35 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Originally Posted by P to the Wee
This is everything that he's reported coming from his profile on his site:
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What's wrong with that picture?
Anyway thanks for your contribution tonight P Wee. It was fun if nothing else.
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08-26-2008, 10:35 PM
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Re: Bulls and Blazers in trade talks
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Also, for the record, I think Brandon Roy is a better overall player than Gordon, Gordon is a better overall player than Aldridge. Gordon is just a better SCORER than those two.
Wow at the guy saying that offense is the best part of Outlaw's games. If that's the best he has going for him, well I don't know what to say. The stats don't lie. Just because you don't care about a stat doesn't mean it's not a great metric to measure a player by. Just because you imagine that Outlaw is a good offensive player, doesn't make him one. You don't have a TS% of 50 if you are a good offensive player. You have to be a pretty bad offensive player to get that.
Gordon, Nocioni, Deng, Noah, Gray, Deng, Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, Chris Duhon, and Kirk Hinrich were all more efficient scorers than the Blazers.
So just based on my interpretations of their TS%, this is where the guys fall.
1. Ben Gordon - Good scoring efficiency.
2. Andres Nocioni - Pretty good scoring efficiency.
3. Joakim Noah - Slightly above average scoring efficiency, low volume scorer.
4. Aaron Gray - Average scoring efficiency, low volume scorer.
5. Luol Deng - Average scoring efficiency.
6. Drew Gooden - Below average scoring efficiency.
7. Chris Duhon - bad scoring efficiency.
8. Kirk Hinrich - very poor scoring efficiency, hardly cutting it.
9. Thabo Sefolosha - so bad, he shouldn't see floor time.
10. Tyrus Thomas - so bad, so bad, send him to the D-League.
11. Larry Hughes - you have to be kidding me, how the hell is this guy in the league!
12. Ben Wallace - this has to be the most inefficient scorer in the history of the league!
Look at that. Not hard to see why the Bulls sucked last year. They didn't score efficiently. Why Nocioni/Gordon, the Bulls only two scorers with any kind of good scoring efficiency last year, are the two guys that all fans are trying to ship out of town is beyond me. Completely idiotic imo.
Same metric on the Trailblazers.
1. James Jones - Elite efficiency.
2. Joel Pryzbilla - Elite efficiency.
3. Jarrett Jack - good efficiency.
4. Martell Webster - pretty good efficiency.
5. Brandon Roy - average scoring efficiency.
6. Channing Frye - average scoring efficiency.
7. LaMarcus Aldridge - very slightly below average scoring efficiency.
8. Steve Blake - slightly below average scoring efficiency.
9. Travis Outlaw - bad scoring efficiency, right on the unacceptable mark.
10. Raef Lafrentz - take a seat on the bench, and never come off.
11. Sergio Rodriguez - GTFO of the league...well you won't be staying long anyhow.
See how the Blazers are clearly better across the board than the Bulls. No surprise, they were better than the Bulls last year. The Blazers are an interesting case, since they had a quartet of role players that were their most efficient players, while their two stars were average for the most part, and Greg Oden is a wildcard. If Roy/Aldridge can get in that 55-56% range next year, and the role players (although you traded some of those guys already!) keep their elite efficiency, then it would easily be expected for the Blazers to make the leap up to at least around 50 wins.
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I'm not sure what TS% stand for either but from how you rated the players on the Blazers from that stat I wouldn't put much stock in it. I wouldn't consider any of the top 4 players to be efficient scorers. I have watched I think every game that all of these players have played for the Blazers and the only one that I would consider a efficient scorer is Jones and he is more inconsistent then Outlaw.
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08-26-2008, 10:38 PM
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