Gym Rat

I know them personally and feel very strongly that many good people were let go. These were NOT overpaid employees nor were they close to being slackers. But this isn't a fight to have with a couple of obviously uninformed people. Talk the trash, go for it. It pleases me because I believe in karma.

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STOMP

So you're hoping someone will get bad karma isn't that bad for your karma? He just expressed facts about being in a free market economy. He used words like might and could, meaning that there are legit business reasons that these possibly fine Oregonians could have been let go. It's pretty normal for businesses to occationally hire consulting firms to review their practices, and often reshaping things drasticly is the results. Other possibly fine Oregonians may be taking their place in time too.

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Ed O

Isn't it bad karma to look forward to karma biting someone else in the butt?

I agree this isn't really a discussion/argument that can be pursued at a practical level: we don't share all the facts.

Ed O.

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Gym Rat

I don't think so... I am not hoping for the bad karma, I just believe in it...

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Bwatcher

I believe that Gym Rat's idea of karma is correct, if he is talking about what is in his heart. That is, if in his heart he holds no ill feelings, it is fine to point out that what actions each of us undertakes, will in the long run, produce karmic results.

Dan

altho I'm sometimes wrong, as far as I know, GymRat isn't a he, but a she.

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I'd like to say I made this, but I didn't

STOMP

but you wrote it pleases you to see this, which is akin to hoping for bad things to happen to another person, which isn't too good on the karma points in my understanding. Maybe you're a little understandably emotionally tied on this issue and it just came out wrong...

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Gym Rat

It probably came out wrong because I am emotional about this because many dear friends are hurting tonight. I hate that.

Anytime 88 jobs are lost in an already depressed economy it is a sad thing and not good for ANYONE except Paul Allen. I don't think Allen is an evil owner, I just wish he would have woke up to the Whitsitt problems before it came down to this...

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Talkhard

Fine. But where is it written that "good people" cannot be laid off? There were probably lots of good people making Edsels at one time, but when Edsels didn't sell, those people lost their jobs. So it goes.

One of the features of a free market is that people can sell their services to the highest bidder. This means, if you have talent and ambition, you can make it big. But that same free market allows a business owner to do what he thinks is right for his company. It's a give-and-take. There are risks involved for both sides, but also tremendous rewards. Our standard of living is higher than almost any other country because of this free market system. Complain about it if you like, but the thousands of people trying to get into this country every day aren't listening. They know a good thing when they see it.

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Scinos

Oh man...lol...

I think the sheppards were made redundant a while ago...All we do with sheep is fence them in a paddock, let them grow some wool, then shear them...

Talkhard

Again, I disagree. The end of one road is often the beginning of another. Only by losing a job do you often find a better one. This has been true in my life, I can attest to that.

And I wonder if it's even a good thing for Paul Allen. He's bound to take a hit in the PR department from people like you. He's also been forced to lay off people that he may actually like. But his first allegience is to the company itself, and to its success.

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Gym Rat

Paul Allen didn't take a hit from me. I already said I don't think he is a bad guy. He just should have caught on to Whitsitt before now and maybe this could have been avoided.

How about this... many VERY TALENTED people were let go which is not good for the Blazers but some restructing was necessary. I think they went too far.

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Gym Rat

And this happened for you in a very depressed economy? 88 jobs on a dock, in a plant, whatever hurts an already depressed economy. Most will land on their feet and some will even do better. But to disagree and think it is good for 88 more people to be on unemployment in Oregon is a bad thing... even if they get new jobs eventually - because the new jobs are jobs that someone else on unemployment could have received.

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Tom

firing people because you can't run your organization is never a good thing.

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