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DariusMiles23 · 09-06-2003, 06:01 PM

Whose better between Portland and Phoenix????

Suns look better on paper but i think we have the better team, not just because i love the blazers....

Scinos · 09-06-2003, 06:33 PM

I don't know if you want head to head, or who will have the better record...but head to head:

PG: Marbury vs. Stoudamire. Suns are much better here, no need to explain...

SG: Hardaway/Johnson vs. Bonzi/DA. Blazers have the advantage.

SF: Marion vs. Sheed. Marion will overall out perform Sheed, Suns advantage.

PF: Stoudemire vs. Randolph. Even, both are young and talented and should have very good seasons.

C: Voskuhl vs. Davis. Advantage Blazers, none of the Suns centers are any good. Maybe if Gugliotta jumped in a time machine and went back to 1997.

Bench: Outlaw, Johnson, Jacobsen, Tsakalidis, Barbosa, Cabarkapa. vs. DA, McInnis, Woods, Ruben BB, (Patterson?). IMO, even.

So, to summarise:

PG: Suns
SG: Blazers
SF: Suns
PF: Even
C: Blazers
Bench: Even.

I think the Suns are better...

cimalee · 09-06-2003, 07:37 PM

the blazers are way better than the suns , all the games blazers lost to them last year they were just playing with them

hobojoe · 09-06-2003, 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by cimalee!
the blazers are way better than the suns , all the games blazers lost to them last year they were just playing with them

BG7 · 09-06-2003, 07:55 PM

Talent wise the Blazers are better but as a team I believe that the Suns are the better "TEAM" team. Marbury, Marion, and Stoudemire compliment each other so well. But I see that if the Blazers can make a trade for a young superstar talent they will be doing just fine. If they can dump a mass load of talent on a team for like KG, Dirk, T-Mac, Kobe, or Pierce. The key is the Blazers need a real leader not a bunch of guys that are a 2nd guys Wells, Wallace, Pippen (last year). They just need a leader. That is the same problem Indiana has. Maybe in the future though Marion, Marbury, and Stoudemire might clash and become ball hogs because they just want to get the ball and stuff their stats. But I really dont see that happening. Bottom line Suns.

jackiejackal · 09-07-2003, 09:00 AM

Key word here..team.
How many games did we fans see the last 5 minutes of a
win turn into an ugly loss??

Portland sad to say,is not a very pretty team in the clutch.
Phoenix just sticks in a few of those "non stars" and shoots the lights out..and wins.!

My favorite basketball,is team basketball with emphasis on team play,rather than 1 or 2 ballhogs.
And then complaining about "how bad the rest of the team is"
ala the Lakers.

Phoenix just goes on quietly in the background getting better
and building on this already good nucleus.
The Portland team of the 90's was so much fun to watch,
because they were so good together.

A long answer to saying..
Phoenix.

**Trader Ed** · 09-07-2003, 01:24 PM

Well I saw the past Portland / Phoneix game courtesy of the Blazers/bbb.net contest and Portland really took it to them. It was not even close.

Scinos:
Marion over Sheed at SF... oh my

I like Marion, but I do not think he is a better player than Sheed. Are you comparing them at SF spots? or overall?

I think Patterson may play more at the SF spot than people think. I have my doubts he will get traded. So we we still take the positional loss comparison Marion vs Patterson.

But Stoudemeire vs Sheed ... we win the position comparison.

Thus Portland takes the overall....

hobojoe · 09-07-2003, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Trader Bob!
Well I saw the past Portland / Phoneix game courtesy of the Blazers/bbb.net contest and Portland really took it to them. It was not even close.

Scinos:
Marion over Sheed at SF... oh my

I like Marion, but I do not think he is a better player than Sheed. Are you comparing them at SF spots? or overall?

I think Patterson may play more at the SF spot than people think. I have my doubts he will get traded. So we we still take the positional loss comparison Marion vs Patterson.

But Stoudemeire vs Sheed ... we win the position comparison.

Thus Portland takes the overall....

Come on, you can't say team depth is an excuse for Sheed to not put up numbers like Marion, Marion has Amare Stoudamire and Stephon Marbury to share the ball with.

Shawn Marion: 21.2ppg, 9.5rpg, 2.4apg, 2.3spg, 1.2bpg

Rasheed Wallace: 18.1ppg, 7.4rpg, 2.1apg, .95spg, 1.0bpg

Draco · 09-07-2003, 04:18 PM

I think Portland is more talented but Phoenix seems to have meshed better as a team. Both teams have some exciting young players that'll improve in Joe Johnson, Amare, Zack Randolph, Q Woods. It should be an exciting year for both teams.

Portland has more potential, especially if they can pull off a trade for a clear #1 option, but I think phoenix is a safer bet to be good but not great.

ilPadrino · 09-07-2003, 05:30 PM

Trading Rasheed for Marion would be an absolute no brainer for the Blazers. The Suns would never even consider it.

The Enigma · 09-07-2003, 06:31 PM

Stoudamire/ McInnis vs. Marbury/ Barbosa... Phoenix

Marbury is the player that usually kills Portland down the stretch of ball games, however the talented and experienced tandem of Stoudamire and McInnis is enough to soften the blow of the superior Marbury and the untested rookie Barbosa.

Wells/ Anderson vs. Hardaway/ Johnson... Portland

Wells is the best player of the four swinging the pendulum into Portland’s direction.

???/ Patterson/ Woods vs. Marion/ Cabarkapa... Phoenix (in a big way).

Depending on whether the Blazers start Rasheed at SF or acquire a starter (Jackson) type Player could potentially narrow the margin between the two rotations however as things presently stand the brilliance of Marion makes this decision; Phoenix by a landslide.

Wallace/ Randolph vs. Stoudemire/ Outlaw/ Gugliotta... Portland (in a big way)

With the Blazers potential reserve being nearly on par with the Phoenix starter I give this decision to Portland with room to spare.

Davis/ Rubin BB/ ??? vs. Williams/ Voskuhl/ Tsakalidis... Phoenix

Though Davis is the best player of all the listed centers the lack of depth behind him tips the scale in the favor of the Phoenix rotating center. The Phoenix triumvirate at center is a well-balanced ensemble of specialized centers that allow the Suns to match up against potentially all center match ups in the league (effectively).

Cheeks vs. Johnson... Phoenix

Last seasons matches between Phoenix and Portland were in large part decided by the coaching (IMO). Simply stated I believe Frank Johnson to be a vastly superior coach to Cheeks.

Bench = Portland

Randolph's possible inclusion to the Blazers bench would tip this decision in the favor of the Blazers.

Experience = Portland

Portland's nucleolus has been to two WCF’s and possesses loads of playoff experience, while Phoenix's holds next to none.

Conclusion: I believe that these two teams will fight for sole possession of the 6th seed in the west all season long.
In order for Portland to win the sixth seed I believe that they must do so outright because I doubt that they win the season series between the two teams (coaching).

I choose Phoenix by the slimmest of margins (potentially the tie breaker) however this decision could fluctuate depending on what Portland can accomplish between now and training camp (acquisitions of Van Exel or Jackson, or both could tip the scale in Portland's favor)

**HOWIE** · 09-07-2003, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by cimalee!
the blazers are way better than the suns , all the games blazers lost to them last year they were just playing with them

Um yeah.......

Ed O · 09-07-2003, 11:46 PM

Portland is significantly better. I don't think they're more talented (the Suns have better talent at the top of their team, IMO, in Marbury and Marion) but they're more skilled and work much harder defensively and are a deeper team.

Portland will, once again, have a better record than Phoenix this season and the Suns will, once again, get more individual accolades. In spite of both of these things, some will continue to call Portland a more talented team and a bunch of underachievers.

Ed O.

MAS RipCity · 09-07-2003, 11:47 PM

Blazers are quite a bit better then the Suns and I really like Phoenix..one of my secondary teams....but they don't have any depth and inside game(sorry but so far Amare is only a power forward version of Darius Miles)

ebott · 09-08-2003, 01:07 AM

In a conference of 5 teams we are 6th. The Suns are a distant 7th. It would take an amazing amount of improved consistancy from their younger players and an unbelieveable dependability from their vets to make them better than us.

They beat us in the season series 3-1 last year but Scottie Pippen had HORRIBLE games in the 3 losses and did not significantly contribute to the 1 win. That 1 win was late in the season and I think it is a more accurate portrayal of how the teams will be next year. Zach Randolph had 27 points in that game for those who think he'd have trouble against Amare Stoudemire.

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