Dan

um...it's easily questionable.

Buck Williams, Maurice Lucas, both arguably better PF's. (not so much Buck offensively, but defensively)

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WOW, I forgot Holllins. He was awesome.

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PG: Porter, Hollins
SG: Drexler, Petrie, Paxson
SF: Kiki, Gross
PF: Lucas, Williams
C: Walton, Duckworth, Sabonis

IL: Kersey, Thompson, Wallace

Starters have great shooters in Kiki and Porter. Clyde is the slasher. Lucas and Walton and Clyde are the rebounders. Walton cleans up for Kiki's weak defense.

Lionel and Gross become slashers off the bench while Petrie and Paxson provide outside shooting. Duck and Buck do the dirty work.

Overall there is a great balance of shooters, slashers, rebounders, defenders, and low post guys.

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Honestly, I think the only place Williams was better was in rebounding. I don't think he has an argument against Wallace on offense or defense.

He was very good defensively, but Wallace is/was better.

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Dan

Buck wasn't a defensive specialist by any stretch, and outside of 1 season (in Portland at least) he wasn't much of a shot blocker, but you gotta remember, Buck was almost 30 when he was traded to Portland (or there-a-bouts) and was coming off of really great #'s in Jersey.

I think his defense, and muscle (in his time) was just as good. His earlier #'s (in relation to Rasheed up to this point) are as good, and in some cases, much better. I realize that part of the crtieria for this was that we based their play as a Blazer, and not their prime outside of being a Blazer.

And in the early 90's, Malone and Barkley were much better players than Duncan and the other PF's today (who really are SF's and C's masquarading as PF's only because they're so freaking tall or too weenie to play C).


Plus, if Ed can keep bringing up how Rasheed "as the best player on the team" (dont think he was in 99, or really 2000..leading the team in scoring in a series doesn't make you the best player, just ask Billy Ray Bates) went to two WCF's...well, Buck went to 3 WCF's and 2 finals.. 8)

Like I said, suggesting that Rasheed is unquestionably the "best pf" to ever play for the Blazers, is silly.

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In spite of the shot at me, I agree that it's silly that Rasheed is unquestionably the best.

But I also think it's silly for someone to claim that Lucas was unquestionably better than Rasheed.

Ed O.

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Dan

he was a better rebounder, better scorer (in the sense that he actually did score) and more of an intimidating factor in Portland the time he was here.

I might have said he was easily a better PF, (off the top of my head I don't remember, nor do I really feel the need to find it. ok I lied. From what i found, I never said that Lucas was "unquestionably" "better" than Rasheed. I don't recall saying that because it's all subjective.) but I think its obvious that one could argue against any player being deemed the "best pf" to ever play in Portland.

PG? easy, TP. no question.

C? Walton, no question.

SF: iffy (kiki or kersey, depending on if you like a player who can't play defense to save his life vs a guy who's peak wasn't nearly as high offensively (never was the main guy like kiki was) )

SG: Drexler, hands down.

PF: iffy. (some could say Wallace, (but not unquestionably) some could say LUcas (same criteria) and some could say Buck (same criteria).

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Well, HearToTemptYou implied that it was no contest at all and you agreed with him and said something to the effect of, "Hell, I even put Buck ahead of him."

Surely the suggestion is, "Not only is Lucas unquestionably better, I don't think Wallace even beats out Buck Williams."

At least, that's the impression I got.

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Dan

I was under the impression this was more of a "your favorite players" not "who you think was the best position player" to play for the Blazers.

I happen to put lucas and williams ahead of wallace on my all time favorite PF's, and I think it's debateable (cept with ed, I hate debating with him) about which of those 3 is a clear cut "best ever PF".

The reason I said was because of how HTTY had said he couldn't believe so many people didn't pick Lucas.

Kinda like "hello? I did..."

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ok, I can accept people questioning my pick of Lucas and Williams over Rasheed..but this is just silly. Even if you took Smith on his best days, he couldn't carry Clydes jock.

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What about skill????

I very much enjoyed Clyde.... and his athleticism... but he counted on it to get him through with his defensive prowess and his steals leading to scoring ops.... great shooter? nah!!!!

how about Petrie? natural shooter like Paxson and Kiki was, had brains too

a great shooter is always nice to see...

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since I wasn't alive during that time, and there is bupkiss out there for game footage of the early days..was petrie much of a defensive player? They didn't keep stats on steels back then..but he didn't have many period.

He couldn't rebound or assist nearly as a well as Drexler did, or steal.

Sure, Petrie was a shooter (altho his career average was only 45%) but without 3 point shots back then, it's hard to tell (just from stats) if he was a good shooter, or just a good slasher.

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