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**Blue Magic** · 01-30-2010, 09:04 PM

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Wall looks like some sort of Rose/Paul clone, whoever gets him is set for the next decade and more. He's got 'it'.

I'm not seeing the Paul comparison... He is a big athletic guard like Rose soo I see that, but Paul is just a more complete player than both those guys. Wall's a sure fire NBA talent and he'll be a top 5 pick, but I see more Rondo in him than Paul. Hopefully he's Rondo with a jump shot and respectable FT shooting. Another question I think is can he run an NBA offense from day one, or will he be turnover prone? He'll have an impact but I dont think im ready to metnion him in the same breath as a Chris Paul...

**fjkdsi** · 01-30-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by E.H. Munro

If the Warriors get him I suppose they'll probably take to using Curry as bait to unload Maggette. Minnesota already has 17 point guards, they're well on their way to rolling out the point guard offense. They can start Wall & Rubio at the 4/5, put Sessions & Flynn in the backcourt. I guess they'd need to use Ellington at the 3. Of course, they have Charlotte's #1, so maybe they could use that on Armon Johnson or Willie Warren and then go full metal bukkake.

LMAO

HB · 01-30-2010, 09:12 PM

Wow thats not John Wall at all. Wall's offense is actually more developed than Paul at this stage of their career and he's more athletic. He's more in line with Rose and Baron Davis than Paul though.

**Geaux Tigers** · 01-31-2010, 09:37 AM

I wouldn't say Wall's offense is more developed than Paul's. He just has a better outside shot. I don't think Wall is going to come into the league averaging more than what Paul is right now. I also don't get the comparison. Wall is a lot more athletic and can play above the rim. I'm not sure Wall will average 10 assists in a season, or at least with regularity. I think his game is going to revolve around scoring much more than dishing it out on the next level. He's head and shoulders above almost everyone else in the college game and far superior to most people he plays against...that won't happen in the NBA.

The Krakken · 01-31-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HB

Wow thats not John Wall at all. Wall's offense is actually more developed than Paul at this stage of their career and he's more athletic. He's more in line with Rose and Baron Davis than Paul though.

More like Rondo with a better jumper (maybe).He's not NEARLY as strong as Rose and Davis. Not even close.

The Krakken · 01-31-2010, 11:38 AM

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How exciting is this guy? I find it funny that people said Rose is a 'once in a decade player', yet here is Wall 2 years later. Not discrediting Derrick though, who'se a fantastic player and an All-Star in his own right.

Wall is not as physically gifted as Rose....or Davis was 10 years ago. He has their speed and Hops.....but he is severely lacking in the strength department compared to those two. He may even be faster in the zig zag way than both of them. But he's not faster than rose in a straight line, and his burst from 0-60 is not faster either. If anything its as good, which isn't a bad thing. As far as strenght, its something that even Lebron James acknowledged recently when talking about Wall as the lock to be a #1 pick. He just ins't as strong as they were coming out. He doesn't look like he has the kind of body that can add a ton of muscle.

Will he be able to finish at the rim with contact that doesnt get called? He struggles in that regard right now. Will he be able to be bumped off his path to the basket? Its a foul in college. Not so much in the NBA.

These are legitimate concerns.

I'm not concerned at all about his basketball skills. He needs to cut down on turnovers and being out of control though.

**Blue Magic** · 01-31-2010, 07:02 PM

To me Rose seemed more shifty with the ball, but I think Wall might be faster from end-to-end(it's close). Both are pretty athletic in terms of jumping ability, but I'd give Rose the edge in terms of body control and finishing in traffic(prolly cuz he's stronger like u said). Wall has good %'s tho, but watching his release I think his shot may need some work at the next level.

**Geaux Tigers** · 01-31-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Krakken

More like Rondo with a better jumper (maybe).He's not NEARLY as strong as Rose and Davis. Not even close.

Wall has a better jumper than Rondo and it isn't even close...

**Geaux Tigers** · 01-31-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Magic

To me Rose seemed more shifty with the ball, but I think Wall might be faster from end-to-end(it's close). Both are pretty athletic in terms of jumping ability, but I'd give Rose the edge in terms of body control and finishing in traffic(prolly cuz he's stronger like u said). Wall has good %'s tho, but watching his release I think his shot may need some work at the next level.

I think youre right about Rose being more shifty. When I watch Wall play he just blasts past everyone. His first step allows him to move in quick direct lines. Rose uses more lateral movement to get to where he's trying to go.

And while right now Wall might not be that strong or imposing physically doesn't mean he cant. Getting to the NBA usually does a lot for guys in terms of strength and weight as compared to college.

HB · 01-31-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Krakken

More like Rondo with a better jumper (maybe).He's not NEARLY as strong as Rose and Davis. Not even close.

You see Wall finishing in the paint and you are saying he's not nearly as strong as Rose, of course he is. Davis is in fact stronger than both, I dont see Rose backing down anyone. You are dangerously close to being a homer in this thread, John Wall is faster and more athletic than Rose. Its not a huge gap, but Wall is more gifted. Rose is always trying to do some cutesy type layups, whilst Wall wants to dunk every chance he gets. He finishes and if you've watched him, can dunk with either hand. The guy's a freak of nature.

I dont know why you keeping bringing up the strength thing, Wall isn't frail. He's actually well built for a point guard.

**Geaux Tigers** · 01-31-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HB

You see Wall finishing in the paint and you are saying he's not nearly as strong as Rose, of course he is. Davis is in fact stronger than both, I dont see Rose backing down anyone. You are dangerously close to being a homer in this thread, John Wall is faster and more athletic than Rose. Its not a huge gap, but Wall is more gifted. Rose is always trying to do some cutesy type layups, whilst Wall wants to dunk every chance he gets. He finishes and if you've watched him, can dunk with either hand. The guy's a freak of nature.

I dont know why you keeping bringing up the strength thing, Wall isn't frail. He's actually well built for a point guard.

"Hello pot...this is kettle..."

The Krakken · 01-31-2010, 08:13 PM

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You see Wall finishing in the paint and you are saying he's not nearly as strong as Rose, of course he is.

No...no he isn't. The only person who believes Wall is as strong as Rose is you. All you have to do is look at them, to tell. Rose is MUCH more solid compared to wall. I see him finishing in the paint. I also see him miss quite a bit down there.

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Davis is in fact stronger than both, I dont see Rose backing down anyone.

That's not what I meant. Either way, if it makes you feel better to make up your own definitions to what I'm trying to describe as you go along (as opposed to just asking me what I meant), then be my guest. There's a scripture about pearls and swine.......

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You are dangerously close to being a homer in this thread, John Wall is faster and more athletic than Rose. Its not a huge gap, but Wall is more gifted. Rose is always trying to do some cutesy type layups, whilst Wall wants to dunk every chance he gets. He finishes and if you've watched him, can dunk with either hand. The guy's a freak of nature.

Cause lord knows Dunking = athleticism. Please, go flip on sportcenter, and continue to watch your highlights. You have no clue what I'm talking about, which begs the question why you responded in the first place.

As for being a homer, that's laughable. I'm watching Wall to see what all the hype is about. I'm not at all concerned with John Wall being better than Derrick Rose, as I believe the comparison is ludicrous, with wall having not played a single NBA game. Meanwhile, I'll be watching my reigning rookie of the year PG in the ASG in 2 weeks. Yeah, I'm really concerned about bashing John Wall

. I've watched him 8 times thus far. That makes my opinion, an informed one whether you agree with it or not. I heard about this phenomenal "MJ of PG's". I wanted to see what the hype was about. You have my evaluation of what I've seen. Nothing more or less. Period.

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I dont know why you keeping bringing up the strength thing, Wall isn't frail. He's actually well built for a point guard.

WHo said otherwise? I simply said he isn't as strong as Rose or Davis. And I'm right. And you are not. Period.

The Krakken · 01-31-2010, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Geaux Tigers

"Hello pot...this is kettle..."

Not only that, but kettle is wrong to boot........

HB · 01-31-2010, 08:17 PM

Every single metric you can use to define athleticism, Wall will best Rose in it.

So care to explain how Rose being supposedly stronger makes him a better player? What does Rose use this so called strength to do?

I just told you, Wall gets fouled and still manages to make baskets, sorta like Tyler Hansbrough. Are you telling me thats not an indication of how strong he is?

Guys that dont look strong to me, Stephen Curry, Brandon Jennings...John Wall does not look like any of those guys.

As for homer, lol I dont like the UK team, I am a UNC fan who's not particularly fond of Wall, so exactly where does my homerism for him come frm?

**Geaux Tigers** · 02-09-2010, 09:42 PM

Alright the question needs to be asked...

Out of all the top tier freshman to come into college ball ever since Kevin Durant blew up the NCAA has Wall disappointed the most? Has he fallen back down the hardest since his early season hype? Kevin Durant stayed on top and put up ridiculous point totals. Greg Oden didn't have the same fall from grace and was the defensive anchor on a team that hasn't been as good since he left. Michael Beasley put up nutty double double stats all the time. Derrick Rose didn't seem to look like a freshman as much. Tyreke Evans had his moments though.

Just a question. I'm just starting to see more and more lines in the media and on the board about Wall hitting a...wall. His TO numbers have been highlighted more and more but those have been bad since the start so those guys are idiots.

Another question is: Is his own teammate Demarcus Cousin's increased play the main factor in Wall's apparent reality check?

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