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09-07-2004, 08:26 AM
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Bibby or Peja...Who is more valuable?
Im a kings fan....and i got to thinking about which one is more valuable.......
the numbers say Peja..25pts a game........to Bibbys 18ppg....but truthfully if I had to pick between to two its MIKE BIBBY
Because when the playoffs come around, Bibby goes from a 18ppg scorer..to a 20-25 ppg scorer
and Peja goes from the "Next Larry Bird" to ''let me stay low so people can blame Webber"
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09-07-2004, 08:31 AM
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Bibby all the way.
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09-07-2004, 08:44 AM
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If you gave me the choice, I'd pick Bibby.
Peja is a deadly shooter when his shot is on (which is pretty often), but Bibby just brings it night in and night out. If his shot is off (It's rarely off), he will still be a solid PG and most likely be better than the other teams PG when speaking in terms of efficiency.
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09-07-2004, 09:20 AM
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Peja was atleast top 5 for the MVP Its not even close
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09-07-2004, 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by <b>guyinabox</b>!
Peja was atleast top 5 for the MVP Its not even close
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and what does that mean? Where was Peja in the playoffs? Not being a fan of either player its quite easy to see how much Bibby means to Sacremento. You hear people say you could easily replace Jackson with Bibby and thats nonsense. 2 totally different styles of game and Bibby's jumpshot from the PG postion does wonders for every one else around him.
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09-07-2004, 10:31 AM
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It's absolutely Bibby. Bibby is one of the league's best shooters himself, and unlike Peja he makes all the big shots. When the Kings have won games in the 4th quarter, who is the one person who was responsible almost every time? Bibby.
And he is a textbook pointguard too, one of the best in the league.
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09-07-2004, 10:59 AM
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the offence runs through him so for the kings hes more valuable although hes asts count could go up a little. Peja on the other hand during the season carried the team and was arguably one of the best players, bibby in the playoffs is more valuable but id take peja in the season
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09-07-2004, 11:04 AM
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Bibby. It's not even a question.
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09-07-2004, 05:46 PM
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It's not even a question?
I guess you are are not there when bibby gives carreer night to his oposing player. Parker, Cassell and Nash always have carreer night against him
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09-07-2004, 06:05 PM
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It's not even a question?
I guess you are are not there when bibby gives carreer night to his oposing player. Parker, Cassell and Nash always have carreer night against him
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Apparently you missed that game where Cassell had a career night, because Bibby personally won them that game. And go ahead and look at the Dallas series, and take a look at Nash's numbers, then compare them to Bibbys...
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09-07-2004, 06:07 PM
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Bibby, Peja can be shut down if you crowd him the whole game and dedicate your self to do that. Bibby can do alot more with the ball. Peja can get shut down, Biby can be shut down himself.
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09-07-2004, 06:31 PM
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too many Bibbysexuals on this board
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09-07-2004, 06:55 PM
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Bibby, but it's close. Even though Bibby is by far the better postseason performer offensively compared to Peja (hitting shots at a high percentage, scoring big baskets when they're needed, getting the team involved with his passing, etc.), Peja is the better defender, and Peja isn't more than an average or sometimes good defender. Bibby is downright awful at defending the perimeter, he gets beat off the dribble at will by all the elite PGs.
But I still take Bibby, he brings a lot of mental toughness and confidence to that team. They'd be lost without him.
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09-07-2004, 06:57 PM
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09-07-2004, 06:58 PM
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I'd take Bibby. He steps up late in games, and basically runs the show for the whole game for the Kings. He is real underrated imo.
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