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tempe85 · 02-10-2005, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by <b>maKINGSofgreatness</b>!
You say I'm reaching, but I challenge anyone to come up with one bit of evidence that Nash wont break down like always before when every factor seems to determine that if anything, he will break down ever more than before.

I'd like to challenge you to prove that he WILL break down this season (which is the only season that matters).

maKINGSofgreatness · 02-10-2005, 09:34 PM

of course I cant, we'll just have to wait and see

ShuHanGuanYu · 02-10-2005, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by <b>maKINGSofgreatness</b>!
now your reaching, a player like Amare, oh, you mean a player that scores like 17 ppg if he doesnt have Nash spoon-feeding him at the hoop over and over again? Nash left Dallas and Dirk can still score, and Dallas is still a great team. When Nash broke down, Dallas didnt die like Phoenix did when he was out. I'd take Dirk over Amare in a heartbeat.

You say I'm reaching, but I challenge anyone to come up with one bit of evidence that Nash wont break down like always before when every factor seems to determine that if anything, he will break down ever more than before.

Ummm...dude? Evidently you don't watch enough Suns games to know what you talking about. Yes, without Nash the Suns were lost...because they don't run any offense. They let Nash make all the decisions. Plus their only backup point guard was also out. So when you throw a team out there that has no point guard, they are going to struggle. Amare has been helped greatly by Nash. However, Nash wasn't there in the summer when Amare was running himself ragged in the gym working on his jump shot. Ask anyone who's watched Amare. His jumper has improved night and day. Oh yeah, and didn't Amare score 20+ last year without Nash? They were a mediocre team, but still the sophomore put up great numbers for a second year guy. Maybe I was on some different planet at that time...or better yet, maybe you were.

If you don't like the Suns' chances to win, that's fine. Don't lose your intelligence and act like Amare isn't a stud. The guy is only 22 years old and is a workhorse. He will get even better...will Dirk? Also take notice that Nash didn't average 11+ assists with Nowitzki. Amare and Dirk are both in the elite. The Suns are a different team in that they are more athletic. There is no comparison to Shawn Marion on Dallas, the guy is just crazy with his leap. Q and Joe both play bigger than they are. I would take this Suns team over Dallas' past teams in a heartbeat. Even Dallas never averaged 110 points per game. They barely broke 105. But yeah, we'll see what happens in the future.

Sorry Sac-Town fans, this probably is the wrong forum for this.

maKINGSofgreatness · 02-10-2005, 11:55 PM

You've sort of defeated your own argument by saying Nash didn't average 11 asists per game in Dallas but then saying that Pheonix is better at every other position, that'll do something for a pg's assists numbers. I never said the Suns are worst then the Nash era Mavs, before you starting talking about me "losing my intelligence" you really should read what I said.

Forgive me if I'm not impressed by someone putting up some nice PPG stats on one of the worst teams in the league. Dan Dickau has had some great games. And Barbosa is really more of a 2. Your right though, Amare's jumper has improved a lot, and it, not just Nash, is responsible for his play this season. I'm not trying to take anything away from him, if any other player in the league could do what he's doing I'm sure they would be doing it, to some degree, with the right PG or not. It's not like there's any shame in being worse than Drik, he's younger, and Dirk's an MVP candidate. Last time I checked, the only one of those on the Suns is Nash.

**Peja Vu** · 02-11-2005, 12:02 AM

The Kings will go farther in the playoffs than the Suns.

ShuHanGuanYu · 02-11-2005, 12:21 AM

Actually that comment was for your 17ppg comment about Amare. I said they are a different team athletically. I didn't say they had all better players. Every other position? Huh? Show me the post that said that.

It's not hard to have a good ppg on a bad team. It is hard to put up a good FG% when you have a bad team...because teams focus on you. He shot 47%, which ain't bad for a second year 21 year old guy with a raw outside shot. The Suns just didn't have the talent nor the chemistry to get it done...can't blame Amare for that. JJ didn't come into his own until the very end of the season. And yeah, Barbosa is definitely more of the two...and he had to be starting PG second half of last year.

Please tell me you didn't compare Amare to Dan Dickau...hehe

In response to Peja Vu: I wish the Suns had the toughness that Sacramento has. But more importantly, Sac-town has the elusive playoff experience. A lot of these Suns have had a taste, but don't know what it's really like deep into the playoffs. At the beginning of the year I, for one, called this one for San Antonio. All I can say for sure is that it's gonna be a great time come playoffs.

maKINGSofgreatness · 02-11-2005, 12:42 AM

it was a joke, not a lot to compare between the 2 of course, but look out, Dickau's going places.

Like I said, I'm not taking anything from him, I just don't think he's quite as good as fast as some think. Dude's gonna be scary at 25

as long as he doesn't pull a Shawn Kemp (unlikely)

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