IV

To Kings fans, and all who have been offended,
There has been a little stir about the pointless post I left on the board yesterday. I will first admit that it was uninsightful, but that was for a reason.

We've all heard for the past 5+ years that basketball is not what it once was. In other words the game is boring! I don't feel this way. I love the new wave of talent in this league and I'm sure there are others who share my joy. In an effort to spead the fever, I was looking to start sometype of rivalry between Kings fans and Laker fans. Its what this league needs. A GREAT RIVALRY. I want Kings fans to hate LA and vice versa. Like the good ole days Lakers vs Celtics style.

Now I know my first attempt was distasteful. But it was all in good humor guys. You have no idea how sensitive most Kings fans can be, so lets get fierce boys! 2003 is almost here; get ready.

"the Kings are a great team, a great WNBA team" -- Shaquille Oneal

Louie

ohh, then statement is acceptable.I think the rivalry and the bitterness are already there- it's already a great rivalry. I just don't want any threads to turn into fights or I'll get in trouble. I actually wish we had a forum where we could just ***** at each other, but you can't have everything your way. We do want you Laker guys on our forum, though- it makes the conversations way more interesting.

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LupinIV

With all due respect to the Lakers. I think the next great rivary is going to be between the Mavs and the Kings.

They both have great fans and colorful owners and young run and gun guys, and deep in talent.

Last season's Mavs remind me of the Kings from 2 seasons ago. Sooner or later they'll learn to play defence. The Kings didn't do it until last season and they became a great team. The Mavs has the potential to be a very good D team and I fully expect them to D up this season.

I won't be surprise if we have a Kings - Mavs WCF in 02-03.

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ken pham

You are stupid LupinIV. It's fine to have a heated rivalry, but this site has a poicy against personal attacks. Thanks. how is the mav and the Kings will be a rivalry while all the Kings have right now is a division banner and the mav get nothing to show compare to the 14 NBA champ banners the Lakers hang in the wall. The Kings only win the title in your dream.

Chops

Will someone please ban this guy....

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Wiggum

I second that motion...

<<<D>>>

Let's keep it clean and enjoyable for everyone IV & Ken Pham
It's just a chat forum for open opinions and thoughts,
We can have a lot of fun without creating negative vibe.
I'll admit, when I first came on board, I had the same attitude you had...
True Laker pride and trying to dunk on everyone,
but I just realized, everyone is just here to have fun.
Your passion is respected, keep your pride firmly and stand next to what you believe in,
but don't create or call for negativity. Some people just don't see it that way
Just keep it respectful for others.
It's all good, c-ya on the boards & Lakers to the heart.

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Louie

Thank you, <<<D>>>. Nobody's getting banned just yet, but i would ask some of you (ken pham) not to make personal attackks against other posters as it is against the site rules. Just cause you don't agree doesn't mean they're stupid or whatever. Overall, this forum has had relatively few ugly threads considering the rivalry that exists, so let's keep it that way Ken Pham.

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<<<D>>>

Anything is possible, but in this case, you might of stretched it out a bit, The Mavs reminds of you of the Kings? Not even close, if you're thinking about a rivalry between your Mavs and the Kings, dwell on it for a while, cause the Kings will need to beat the Lakers and the Mavs can't beat the Kings, The Kings always had a respectable D years ago, Dallas just don't have the type of players to dedicate themselves on the other end, I believe in improvement & development, and that might be the case with the Mavs overall Defense that has yet to be proven or seen. To win...you need to play hard aggressive defense instead of just lighting it up. The Mavs are the future team or maybe now, but they need an overall and complete game to advance, we'll see them this year

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LupinIV

You're referring to the 01-02 season. That's in the past.

I'm speculating on the future.

The Mavs' poor defense is a myth. They played great D at times, but not consistently. However, they do have the type of players who can D up, they just need to make dedicated effort, and I think they will. Think of it this way, the Mavs is already one of the best, with better D they'll be scary.

Yes, the Kings always had respectable D, but no one gave them credit. And they stepped up their effort last season.

The Mavs have respectable D. No team wins 57 without playing at least reasonable defense. But no one gave them credit for the D. Will they step up their effort?

I think they will. Just like the Kings of last season. That's the similarity I see which reminded me of the Kings.

As for the Lakers. Sorry, I see them as contender, but not really in the thick of things. I don't think they'll win it next year, and I don't see them being in any rivary. Expect maybe within their own team.

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LupinIV

Well Pham, look at it this way.

Just because you are what you are now, doesn't mean you'll remain this way forever.

In fact, some day you may even be able to rebute me with more intelligent remarks than just simply calling me "stupid..." or "... in your dream."

Yawn.

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I'm not sure if you're talking about NOW or LATER, but my thoughts and comments are for NOW.
IMO - To be part of a rivalry, 2 teams will need to have a great series against each other maybe in the regular season and in the playoff's, and I know you saw one of the greatest NBA series of all time in the WCF last year, that to me is the beginging of a rivalry as showcased nationwide. The Kings are on a mission, the Lakers aren't rolling over, their will be an answer.

The Rilvary has already been set with the Kings, Kings are stronger than ever, and the Lakers have to defend their title to the rest of the NBA, but in the West the Kings are heavily favored, therefore my comment was based on that, Don't get me wrong, the Mavs have positioned themselves greatly, and they will make huge strides in whatever they need to improve on. As far as the Lakers just being contdenders.....i'm assuming your thoughts is when or if they LOSE their Title, they will be contenders......Right?? well if that's the case, they have'nt lost it yet, so let's not jump ahead here. and your other comment on " Rivalry within themselves" I just don't get where you're coming from, and please don't bring up the Old Kobe doesn't get along with Shaq Rapp, cause that was an old song, people stopped singing a long time ago. Their will be no rivalry within my friend. A lot of people, experts & media never ever thought the Lakers can bag up the third, you feel they can't get the 4th, this is the same thoughts for the past 3 yrs. The Lakers run will end....
but when??.......to be continued

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Louie

Yeah, personally I'm not really sold on the Mavs as currently constructed. The Lakers and Kings are the only two championship caliber teams in the league right now, and i think it's gonna stay that way for a while, unless the Mavs can maybe get Zo and not give up too much. Even so, Lakers-Kings is already the living rivalry in the league (I use the term living cause there are several huge ones that are lying dormant, waiting for any excuse to be revived, i.e. Lakers-Celtics, Bulls-Knicks, etc.)

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LupinIV

I don't know why some Laker fans are so enthusiastic about a Kings – Lakers rivalry. Seen it on several boards already.

But here is my take:

Remember the Kings couldn’t beat the Jazz? Would you call the Kings – Jazz a rivalry?

Probably not. The Jazz have peaked and the Kings were up and comin’.

Now substitute Jazz with Lakers.

For a true rivalry, two teams have to be roughly in the same dynastic period (ie Lakers-Celtics, etc.). The Lakers have peaked, the Kings are still peaking. They’re not in the same team-life-cycle.

Rivalry? Sounds more like ‘Changing of the Guards’ to me.

The Mavs, on the other hand, is right round where the Kings are. They will peak more or less when the Kings have theirs. Kings / Mavs are #1, 2 in terms of talent and depth. That’s the making of a great rivalry. Sure, Mavs need to puck the PF hole. But with Cuban’s pocket and Donnie Nelson’s scouting talent, they will.

As for the internal rivalry, that’s just Phil Jackson’s management style. As soon as the Lakers stop winning, I expect the locker room to unravel.

The Lakers are still the champ, you say? Why yes, they still are. Will they 4-peat? Nah!

No team besides the 60’s Celtics have 4-peated (they went 8-peated!!). The Cels were a great team full of HOF and all-stars. The Lakers are a team with two greats and 10 journeymen. 4-peat? Hell no. It wouldn’t be fair to basketball if they do.

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Louie

I don't think the teams have to have exactly the same lifecycle for it to be a rivalry, but the closer they are the better. The Lakers and Kings are not quite on the same timeframe, but they're close enough for it to be a rivalry. Kobe's 23. I don't think that there's anyone that'd deny that Bulls-Pistons or Knicks-Heat were excellent rivalries, and those teams weren't on the same dynastic period.

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