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**Dan Rosenbaum** · 07-01-2003, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by So Cal Blazer Fan!

Done. I gave your post of the article a thumbs-up over there.

I also agree with theWanker - I think that Portland would be willing to add costs to the salary structure (such as including Sabonis' non-guaranteed contract in a trade) to get Payton this summer. I truly believe that adding him to the team is priority #1 - and since the Blazers are on his "short list" of teams that he is willing to play for (given his geographic and family preferences, as well as $ considerations), I think Portland has a decent shot of getting him.

And, yes, I am wearing Rose Colored Glasses....

I never was very settled on what to think about Payton, so I think during my next update of this post, I think I will give the Payton to Portland rumors more play.

It is hard to be an expert on the situations of all 29 teams, and the arguments you guys make about Payton are very sensible to me. Finally, Payton is going to be quite a bargain this summer.

However, I think Payton and Brad Miller to the Spurs is a very real possibility.

hcsilla · 07-01-2003, 01:10 PM

Thanks for the link, NCBullsFan.

Could you please answer my another question (about team' profits) as well?

**Dan Rosenbaum** · 07-01-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by hcsilla!
I'm a Suns fan and it was a pleasant surprise that Suns made a profit about 20 mil.
How is that possible that small markets with high team pay-roll and with 1st round-exit (as UTA and PHO) make a nice profit while SA which is a bigger market (at least I think it is) and won a ring makes 20 mil. less profit?

I think a lot depends on the nature of the stadium deal, i.e. how much taxpayers are willing to subsidize their local sports teams. I suspect the Suns have a good stadium deal.

The Spurs are transitioning to a new stadium, so I expect their profits would have increased quite a bit over time even without the championship.

And still there is quite a bit of variation in revenues across teams that is not explained by market size, team success, or other observable factors. This "unexplained revenue" probably is picking up variation in front office effort and expertise. Colangelo's group seems to be quite skilled at selling the Suns.

mook · 07-01-2003, 01:23 PM

If I were running the Spurs, I'd go with Payton over Kidd. Payton can play SG much better than Kidd, and it allows them to run Parker and Payton at the same time. Plus, the Spurs have won two rings by plodding down the court. Why change what works by bringing in Kidd?

After they get Payton, they ought to go after these four in this order:
Jermaine O'Neal
Elton Brand
Brad Miller
Karl Malone
Alonzo Mourning
Micheal Olowakandi

This all depends on how much money they'll have left, and whether the Clips look like they'll match an offer on Brand.

Frankly, I'm a little surprised that nobody seems to bring up Karl Malone with the Spurs. Malone has the brawn to guard Shaq some, and Duncan can guard any other center. Malone also has the range and smarts that really nicely compliements Duncan.

**Dan Rosenbaum** · 07-01-2003, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by theWanker!
If I were running the Spurs, I'd go with Payton over Kidd. Payton can play SG much better than Kidd, and it allows them to run Parker and Payton at the same time. Plus, the Spurs have won two rings by plodding down the court. Why change what works by bringing in Kidd?

After they get Payton, they ought to go after these four in this order:
Jermaine O'Neal
Elton Brand
Brad Miller
Karl Malone
Alonzo Mourning
Micheal Olowakandi

This all depends on how much money they'll have left, and whether the Clips look like they'll match an offer on Brand.

Frankly, I'm a little surprised that nobody seems to bring up Karl Malone with the Spurs. Malone has the brawn to guard Shaq some, and Duncan can guard any other center. Malone also has the range and smarts that really nicely compliements Duncan.

Reread the Spurs section. I edited it a bit. Unless the salary cap rises to something like $45 million (highly unlikely), the Spurs do not have enough salary cap space to offer max deals to Duncan and Brand/O'Neal/Kidd and still have enough salary cap space for a MLE (or higher) player like Payton.

Thus, I think if they sign Payton, he will be paired with Brad Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Michael Olowokandi, PJ Brown, Rasho Nesterovic, or Karl Malone (who I agree has the size to guard Shaq).

theBirdman · 07-01-2003, 04:41 PM

Great work! It adds another dimension to everything!
But the article also made me mad! How can this moron Sterling make profit each year?! I guess he is not a moron afterall!! But this should be changed somehow! The best teams should be the most profitable and not the worst ones.
Sterling brings nothing to the NBA and its fans! He shold be banned!!!
There are a few thing that I wanted to say about Sterling and his Clippers but I dont need now because ESPNs Peter May did it for me!
Here is the link:

http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/may_peter/1575432.html

The past part of the article is:
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How refreshing it would be to have the Clippers emerge from their financial coma to announce that they were re-signing their own and making a serious run at Kidd? How great would that be for the league, to have 29 serious teams instead of 28? Then, there'd be a reason to support the Clippers. Then, there'd be a reason to go to their games because there'd be the expectation that ownership was doing its utmost to win.

You'll see God first.

Last week, talking to a general manager in the Eastern Conference, I asked about the teams who had free agent money this summer. He listed them off: San Antonio, Denver, Utah, Miami, maybe Orlando, Washington. He stopped.

"What about the Clippers?" I asked.

"Oh, they'll have more than anyone," he said. "But they don't count."

They count, all right. But not in the way that they should. And that is the ultimate fraud of all.
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I couldnt have said it better myself!

**Dan Rosenbaum** · 07-01-2003, 05:01 PM

Given your disgust with Sterling, you might also enjoy this article in which I am cited.

http://espn.go.com/nba/s/2003/0417/1540659.html

David Stern has designed a luxury/escrow tax system that has turned Donald Sterling into the model owner, encouraging other teams to become more like Donald Sterling.

But until enough of the other owners voice their disgust with some of the perverse incentives created by this luxury/escrow tax system, they deserve to have Donald Sterling sitting up in his office laughing at how he has suckered the other 28 owners into making him a rich man.

**Storyteller** · 07-01-2003, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by NCBullsFan!

Reread the Spurs section. I edited it a bit. Unless the salary cap rises to something like $45 million (highly unlikely), the Spurs do not have enough salary cap space to offer max deals to Duncan and Brand/O'Neal/Kidd and still have enough salary cap space for a MLE (or higher) player like Payton.

Might Duncan do the unthinkable and take a paycut to, say $8 million, then ask Kidd & O'Neal (or Payton & Malone or ???? & ???? - whatever combination of FA's) to come play for the same amount as him? That would put the Spurs at (according to my numbers) about $36.5 million for Duncan, Rose, Bowen, Ginobili, Parker, Ferry and the 2 FA's, leaving some room to make a run at Jackson, Claxton or whoever.

Then, in the summer of 2004, the Spurs would be over the cap but probably still under the Team Escrow Limit - maybe even so after signing someone to the MLE.

In other words, could Duncan see what so many of us outside of the realm of the NBA see - that the Spurs need to take full advantage of being well under the cap while they can, because the opportunity won't come again soon. And the best way that he can contribute to another championship run is to take less money, leaving more money for teammates that can help him get back to the top.

Just a thought. Is Duncan enough of a leader to take this route?

Sicky Dimpkins · 07-01-2003, 05:57 PM

Nice catch So Cal Blazer Fan

I also think they traded their 1st round pick to Phoenix to save cap this year too.

hcsilla · 07-01-2003, 11:34 PM

Thank you, NCBullsFan.

**MJG** · 07-02-2003, 05:58 AM

This is probably the best post I've ever read. I have a greater appreciation for the money side of the NBA now -- thanks!

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