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**Sir Patchwork** · 05-03-2005, 01:30 AM

This is just arguing over semantics. Reviewing the calls of a game play for play is something that takes a whole lot of time and accomplishes nothing. Both teams had their share of bad calls and calls in their favor, the better team won.

socco · 05-03-2005, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by XxMia_9xX

i didn't see a hand check, i didn't even see duncan touch melo at all. anyway don't comment what i just said.

I'm gonna comment anyways.

It was like a second before Melo fell, and wasn't the reason Melo fell. I had to see the replay to be sure he even touched him. The hand check and Melo falling were two seperate things. And the hand check was weak, you can't give a guy, especially a star, a 6th foul on something like that. Anyways, what-eva, congratulations, Nuggets suck.

KokoTheMonkey · 05-03-2005, 01:44 AM

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I didn't call you a ****ing idiot, I said I was gonna call you that. And I really don't appreciate you disrespecting me like this. "I'd expect you to revert to name calling", "You're arguing just to argue. That's your calling card". What the ****'s your problem man? Just because I say something that's not necessarily pro-Duncan you get all worked up? Lose the attitude bud.

Hey man, please go back and re-read the exchange we had about the foul. I didn't have a "****ing problem" until you started off with things like "What the hell is hard for you to understand?" Is that how reasonable debating is supposed to go? All I can say is that you brought this on yourself, "bud." I'm not bitter towards you at all. You're not aware of it, but I've defended you before on this board. You are an intelligent poster, but you love arguing, and you love escalading things. You shared your opinion, I shared mine, you were more aggressive with a post, I was more aggressive. I'm not a moron. I can read your post. You say that Duncan didn't knock Carmelo down, but Duncan did hand check him, and that was a foul. Well, I don't think it was a foul. That's my opinion. I know yours, you know mine.

It's funny how you mentioned the stuff I said about you like "calling card" and reverting to namecalling, but then you come with the "Don't fly off the handle because I'm not Pro-Duncan". Isn't it ironic?

This doesn't have to do with what we were originally talking about. This has to do with you coming in here and being hostile. I appreciate your posts in here as a Mod of this forum, and I do have respect for you as a poster. However, disrespect me and I can disrespect right back.

KokoTheMonkey · 05-03-2005, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sir Patchwork

This is just arguing over semantics. Reviewing the calls of a game play for play is something that takes a whole lot of time and accomplishes nothing. Both teams had their share of bad calls and calls in their favor, the better team won.

You're right. Unfortunately, this went into something more than talking about a meaningless play.

socco · 05-03-2005, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KokoTheMonkey

Hey man, please go back and re-read the exchange we had about the foul. I didn't have a "****ing problem" until you started off with things like "What the hell is hard for you to understand?" Is that how reasonable debating is supposed to go? All I can say is that you brought this on yourself, "bud." I'm not bitter towards you at all. You're not aware of it, but I've defended you before on this board. You are an intelligent poster, but you love arguing, and you love escalading things. You shared your opinion, I shared mine, you were more aggressive with a post, I was more aggressive. I'm not a moron. I can read your post. You say that Duncan didn't knock Carmelo down, but Duncan did hand check him, and that was a foul. Well, I don't think it was a foul. That's my opinion. I know yours, you know mine.

Actually I do know you've defended me before, and that's what I don't understand now. What I think you don't understand is that I don't think Duncan should've been CALLED FOR a foul, but I think technically according to the rule book or whatever, what he did in hand checking Melo could be called a foul.

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It's funny how you mentioned the stuff I said about you like "calling card" and reverting to namecalling, but then you come with the "Don't fly off the handle because I'm not Pro-Duncan". Isn't it ironic?

Your mom is ironic.

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Originally Posted by KokoTheMonkey

This doesn't have to do with what we were originally talking about. This has to do with you coming in here and being hostile. I appreciate your posts in here as a Mod of this forum, and I do have respect for you as a poster. However, disrespect me and I can disrespect right back.

Naw, I see it as you disrespecting me first, and then me getting upset. And I'm not sure where I was coming in here being hostile. I'm not sure what it was about, but the last time I posted on the Spurs board you said the same thing. Take a look at your first post: "It was a horrible call because Carmelo didn't fall down because of the 'hand check'. He flat out slipped, and the refs saw that and made an assumption." I agree with everything you said there. Why I asked why's it so hard for you to understand (I'm sorry for saying the word hell, how dare me) is because I wasn't saying that the foul was a good call, and that's what you thought I was saying.
There are two seperate incidents on this play. Duncan's hand check on Melo, and Melo falling down. The two really have nothing to do with each other. I was talking about the first, you were talking about the second, I didn't see why it was so hard to realize I was talking about the first, fairly simple, that's why I asked why it's so hard for you to understand it.

KokoTheMonkey · 05-03-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by socco

Actually I do know you've defended me before, and that's what I don't understand now. What I think you don't understand is that I don't think Duncan should've been CALLED FOR a foul, but I think technically according to the rule book or whatever, what he did in hand checking Melo could be called a foul.

Naw, I see it as you disrespecting me first, and then me getting upset. And I'm not sure where I was coming in here being hostile. I'm not sure what it was about, but the last time I posted on the Spurs board you said the same thing. Take a look at your first post: "It was a horrible call because Carmelo didn't fall down because of the 'hand check'. He flat out slipped, and the refs saw that and made an assumption." I agree with everything you said there. Why I asked why's it so hard for you to understand (I'm sorry for saying the word hell, how dare me) is because I wasn't saying that the foul was a good call, and that's what you thought I was saying.
There are two seperate incidents on this play. Duncan's hand check on Melo, and Melo falling down. The two really have nothing to do with each other. I was talking about the first, you were talking about the second, I didn't see why it was so hard to realize I was talking about the first, fairly simple, that's why I asked why it's so hard for you to understand it.

I understand what you are arguing about. Let's break it down how you broke it down above:

Carmelo slipped, and Duncan was called for a foul. We're in agreement with this.

Duncan hand checked, and it could be called a foul. That's different than "it's definitely a foul", isn't it? I mentioned nice and calmly that even if that is in the rule books, that doesn't get called in situations like that very often. Duncan had his hand on him, didn't push off, and didn't even ride Carmelo with it. From my personal experiences watching NBA basketball, I haven't seen that type of thing called, regardless if it's part of the rules. Tony Parker and Bruce Bowen hand check all the time, and they get away with it. Yes, Duncan could have been called for a foul on the handcheck, but was it definitely a foul? Not in my opinion.

There's no personal problem here. I didn't try to dissrespect you until it seemed to me you made this thing into more than what it was. If I am so stupid and fail to understand what you are saying next time, ignore me. I wasn't saying anything radical socco, and you weren't either. So why is it hard to just let this be? You think I didn't understand what you were saying. I do understand what you are/were saying. You have my opinion, I have yours. There's really nothing else to it. It "could" be called a foul, but rarely is.

**XxMia_9xX** · 05-03-2005, 02:09 AM

this is how i see it. everyone gets where you're coming from socco but most people just simply do not agree. i respect your opinion but respect others also. however please don't make comments making the other people seem too hard headed and could not aprehend where you stand. it makes others react differently.

anyway, i saw the replay and know what you're talking about. like i said i didn't see duncan touch melo at all... i could be wrong but whatever. SPURS WON! that's all that matters. i'm done.

socco · 05-03-2005, 02:13 AM

I think it is definately a foul. Should it be called though? Something as weak as that should not be called in that position imo. But I think what he did perfectly fits the description for what a hand check is. And even you just said that, so again it's just not understanding everything I am saying. I don't think it (the hand check) should've been called a foul, but I do think technically it was a foul. Just like you said, they don't call it all the time in that situation, and they shouldn't. You're not understanding the difference between a foul and something being called a foul. The NBA would really suck if they called all the fouls. My point on the hand check is that according to the rules it was a foul, but it was not worthy of being called a foul on that play for the reasons you gave. You keep saying that it rarely is called a foul, and I agree. It should not have been called a foul, all I said is that according to the rules it technically was a foul.

And about your mom being ironic? I see you're just trying to ignore that part. Eh, can't blame ya. buenas noches

socco · 05-03-2005, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by XxMia_9xX

this is how i see it. everyone gets where you're coming from socco but most people just simply do not agree. i respect your opinion but respect others also. however please don't make comments making the other people seem too hard headed and could not aprehend where you stand. it makes others react differently.

anyway, i saw the replay and know what you're talking about. like i said i didn't see duncan touch melo at all... i could be wrong but whatever. SPURS WON! that's all that matters. i'm done.

No, I know what I'm saying, and the responses I've get for the most part have been saying things that I agree with. A clear sign that there's some miscommunication and you guys don't, or didn't understand what exactly I was trying to say. And as for Duncan touching him, I'd imagine Koko can vouch for seeing that. It wasn't anything big, but if you'd see the replay again you would see that he did touch him.

And finally to TRY to sum this up: Duncan's "hand-check" according to the rule book was a foul, but in that situation it should NOT have been called a foul. That's all I was trying to say from the beginning.

**XxMia_9xX** · 05-03-2005, 02:36 AM

i see.. i gotcha. anyway if duncan did touch him then i agree with you about the "technically" foul argument because that's the rules. i just dont know why it was called. dammit i actully agree with u! hahah

ballstorm · 05-03-2005, 02:57 AM

Great game . Parker and Duncan were huge , just as expected . The real MVP is still Ginobili anyway . Everybody seems to be surprised by his game and by Nocioni's game as well . Both of them are depicted as aggressive . That is the first time in hitory foreign players are regarded as more aggressive than US players . In general , we hear about Rascho lacks of aggressveness , or Nowitzki's . Somehow , Ginobili just took advantage of the unwritten rule which states that play-off are a different game . You need to be agressive . And Argentinians are feisty players

TheRoc5 · 05-03-2005, 10:06 AM

just a great win were 3-1 im sooooooo happy, this just looks great so far. and this gives me a little bt more confidence if we play the suns, duncan was mvp like tonight wich was great parker was fantastic with his clutch shots and his penitration. the refs tryed to make up to many calls or they were trying to not let the gm get out of hand, either way it seemed like every other time you would here a whistle but i dont care we won! thats all. im sry i didnt get to post cause i watched the gm in bed since it was a late won and i had school the nxt day. did karl wine at all in the press confrence. we really need to go for the kings to night so it will extend there series so we have more rest. were 3-1 and can close it and go to the second round tomrow and on manus play... almost every sports writer or anylist loves the way he plays so i dont see weres the problem

GO Spurs Go

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