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Rajah is dirty how do you feel about him?

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Aylwin

Let's break down what you've just said.

"Bowen is a great defender". I guess he is. But I don't think it's necessary to intentionally harm the opposing players. I believe he'd still be a great defender without all his antics.

"part of playing defense is intimidation". I agree to some extent. To intimidate is to strike fear in the other by threatening to cause harm. The problem with Bowen is that he doesn't just threat. He actually causes harm and injury.

"sometimes you have to do what ever it takes to win". I don't necessarily agree with this especially since your definition of "whatever it takes" seems to be much broader than mine. Even I would concede that Horry's body check on Nash was probably a brilliant tactic. But that was harmless compared to the kinds of things Bowen does. I don't subscribe to the belief that doing "whatever it takes" justifies causing harm and injury.

As for the rest of your post, well, I'll just say that being physical is one thing. Causing intentional injury is another.

I don't agree but you're certainly entitled to your own opinion. At least I don't feel embarrassed that he's on our team. Besides, I haven't called Bowen dirty. I'm sure we can find "dirty" players around the NBA. I'm not too concerned about that. But Bowen, he's just down right dangerous. He must be in a league of his own. Is there any other player in the NBA (past or present) who has caused more pain and injury than Bruce Bowen?

Is this great defense, intimidation or doing whatever it takes?



I've watched this over and over and if I try to be as objective as possible I could say that Wally is partly to blame because he kinda moved his head forward. But still, how on earth can you block a shot with your feet first? Obviously, blocking the shot wasn't the intention. I guess it has to be part of intimidation then?

ezealen

That play, I can confidently say, Bowen was not trying to hurt him. It's till a dirty play though, and Bowen deserved his punishment. I don't think he ever intentionally tries to seriously hurt anyone, but sometimes he goes too far. Take his elbow into Amare's chest in Phoenix game last week for example. That was totally uncalled for. But you can't say Rajah isn't pretty damn dirty too. I don't think even Bowen would have done what Rajah had done to Kobe. That was just shameful.

That said, Bowen has been a lot tamer this year. I wouldn't doubt it if league officials had talked to him during the off season.

You should visit more often, especially if the Spurs play the Suns like it looks like they will be. It's not too often we have a visit from a level-headed suns fan. Let's see, there's dissonance and... well that's pretty much it.

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Aylwin

I would agree. It seems that Bowen was trying to jump in front of Wally. It's Wally who moved forward. But what I have issue with is that what he did (along with a lot of other things he does) was stupid and dangerous.

And that pretty much sums it up: he's dangerous. Okay, if I give him the benefit of the doubt, then maybe most of the injuries he's caused aren't intentional. But there's no denying that his antics are dangerous. If you consistently play that way then things are bound to go too far and you injure someone. And in Bowen's case, the number of times he's gone too far is alarmingly high.

What Raja did was also stupid and dangerous. But I think what Raja did was based on emotion. He lost control. It kinda reminds me of Horry's bodycheck on Nash. While not as harmful as what Raja did, I believe the circumstances are similar. Horry lost his head and reacted. I feel we got robbed of a championship last year. Not because of what Horry did but because I don't think the suspensions were justified. But that's another story.

Anyway, my point was just to illustrate the difference between what Raja did (singular) to what Bowen does (plural).

I'd also like to make the distinction between "dirty" and dangerous. As far as I'm concerned, playing dirty involves consistent grabbing, holding, pulling, etc. I guess that could also include elbowing people in the chest, kicking people when you fall down, kneeing people in the groin, etc. That's all dirty but still acceptable to some degree. And Bowen isn't alone in this category.

But when you "block shots" by jumping feet first towards another player then that goes beyond dirty and becomes dangerous. Who knows? You might accidentally kick someone in the face or they might land on your feet and get an ankle injury. With Bowen, I think that has happened too often to simply be considered bad luck. I mean you could probably fill a DVD with his "greatest hits" (pun intended ).

To be fair, you're right. Despite the elbow to Amare and the recent incident with Chris Paul, he seems to be a safer player. He hasn't caused any injuries this year, has he? As long as he's not dangerous, I won't mind him too much. I'd much rather he intentionally cause pain than unintentionally cause injury.

That's about all I have to say on this topic. I'm not looking for a long debate on this. I just wanted to share my opinion.

Thanks! But let's see how level-headed I still am when we start losing (again!) to you guys.

daddy primetime42

dude aylwin I have to agree being a Spurs Fan In L.A. is hard to watch every game but some of those clips I have to say were very aggressive specially the ones against Amare. But you know what I still like his style of play he contest every shot and makes the superstars think twice about trying to score on him lets just say im glad he is on our team. There has been many dirty players but those guys are always on top. its funny to see Isiah get pissed werent they known as the bad boys im pretty sure he didnt mind when rodman, laimbeer, mahorn were knocking guys out. karl malone was also tough he kicked you when he was shooting and elbow the crap[ out of you just ask the admiral. bottom line is there is a fine line and bowen does cross it from time to time but really he is not the only one. raja bell, kobe bryant, ron artest, just a few that come to mind. good job on the videos its reall y hard to argue with that footage. see you in the playoffs.

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ezealen

But Aylwin, I agreed that Bowen is a dangerous, and sometimes even a dirty player. Why did you cut out those parts of my quotes?

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Aylwin

I only cut out the following sentence:
I didn't see you mention the word dangerous at all. My apologies if I didn't fully understand your post. Anyway, I guess I just wanted to clarify the difference between dangerous and dirty for my own comfort.

By the way, it looks like we're meeting in the first round. You're giving Utah quite a spanking. It doesn't matter anymore at this point whether we beat Portland or not. The seedings are now practically set.

ElMarroAfamado

bowen is dirty i cant wait for the day he is out of the league, him being **** eyed doesnt give him the right to bust some of the **** he busts

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A lot of fans would not like Bowen if he played for their team.

Blazers fans turned on Zach Randolph and he's twice the player Bowen is.

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Brutal?
Its called defense baby. If ya cant take the D, just dont try Bowen. He'll throw you into a friggin marquee.

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The difference Randolph isnt the team player Bowen is and hasn't proven to be as good of a person off the court as Bowen has

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