[onecooljew]

Originally Posted by blowuptheraptors

So put it in the OT forum.

Semantics.

****. Is the world in denial, or is everybody just trying to be so PC it's sick.

Isn't it fun always having to be PC...

[AirBonner]

I would like to comment on this thread however I would ask that a moderator please move it to the OT forum before I do so.

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Originally Posted by onecooljew

Israel and the US are allies and both "Western" nation persay.

Arabic nations have a hatred for such nations (With due reason i may add)

Thats that.

Damn right with due reason. Palestinian kids are throwing rocks at US-paid tanks running them over while they're sleeping at night. That's a problem, and that's all on Israel.

India and Pakistan have had issues for a while too, correct. But they're actually trying to do something about it (not outlandishly either), and they don't go invade eachother running over civilians with tanks, either.

Palestinians have no rights, and that's a problem, no matter what way you spin it. Middle eastern people have no rights in the world today, period. The US/Israel are a big factor in this too.

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You know what, though, it's all ****ing stupid anyway. People are people, and a lot of us here live in Toronto. So who gives a **** where you're from?

I know this sounds stupid after making the post I just did, but it's 2005... can we get over where someone's from?

[onecooljew]

Originally Posted by Budweiser_Boy

Damn right with due reason. Palestinian kids are throwing rocks at US-paid tanks running them over while they're sleeping at night. That's a problem, and that's all on Israel.

India and Pakistan have had issues for a while too, correct. But they're actually trying to do something about it (not outlandishly either), and they don't go invade eachother running over civilians with tanks, either.

Palestinians have no rights, and that's a problem, no matter what way you spin it. Middle eastern people have no rights in the world today, period. The US/Israel are a big factor in this too.

I know this sounds stupid after making the post I just did, but it's 2005... can we get over where someone's from?

Well you kinda switched it up a bit there...

Palestinian kids throwing the rocks at the soldiers, then one of the kids walks up to them with a bomb strapped to himself...
Or one of them walks into a busy market covered in explosives...

So whos at fault??

And you say that middle eastern people have no rights today. But you DO know that Israel is part of the middle-east. So neither of them have rights becuase of the US/Israel alliance??

And then after all of this, you say its 2005 and we should all get along...

Did I miss something?

[onecooljew]

Originally Posted by Budweiser_Boy

India and Pakistan have had issues for a while too, correct. But they're actually trying to do something about it (not outlandishly either), and they don't go invade eachother running over civilians with tanks, either.

I just had to say something about this...

The India-Pakistan conflict has been on going for some 160 years!

Since then, the UN has passed 6 agreements in relation to them, an yet they are still fighting over Kashmir!

Yes the US has stuck their nose in this a well, such as W waiving the sancions from both countries in 2001, but in a battle that has waged on got so long, it is hard to argue that this can be traced back toUs or Israel in any way.

And on the note of running over civilians with tanks, when was the last time that an Isralei tank did such a thing unprovoked to "innocent civilains"?

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Originally Posted by onecooljew

Well you kinda switched it up a bit there...

Palestinian kids throwing the rocks at the soldiers, then one of the kids walks up to them with a bomb strapped to himself...
Or one of them walks into a busy market covered in explosives...

So whos at fault??

And you say that middle eastern people have no rights today. But you DO know that Israel is part of the middle-east. So neither of them have rights becuase of the US/Israel alliance??

And then after all of this, you say its 2005 and we should all get along...

Did I miss something?

Dude read the first part of my last quote.

And as for the other post, I never tied back India-Pakistan to Israel-Palestine... in fact I said pretty much the opposite, they're completely different situations.

[onecooljew]

Originally Posted by Budweiser_Boy

Dude read the first part of my last quote.

And as for the other post, I never tied back India-Pakistan to Israel-Palestine... in fact I said pretty much the opposite, they're completely different situations.

But you did say that something was being done about the India-Pakistan issue. Such as?

And there may not be "tanks running over innocent civilians", but there is equally horrible acts occuring there daily.

[butr]

Originally Posted by Budweiser_Boy

I know this sounds stupid after making the post I just did, but it's 2005... can we get over where someone's from?

This is an interesting statement. Interesting that I find certain groups very closed from others. These people don't define themselves as "people" or Canadians they define themselves as Jews or Muslims.

I'm not a gentile, an atheist, or an agnostic. I am a Canadian. I'm sorry that people define themselves by religion. People think money is the root of all evil. I would say religion is, if not a close second.

[onecooljew]

Originally Posted by blowuptheraptors

This is an interesting statement. Interesting that I find certain groups very closed from others. These people don't define themselves as "people" or Canadians they define themselves as Jews or Muslims.

I'm not a gentile, an atheist, or an agnostic. I am a Canadian. I'm sorry that people define themselves by religion. People think money is the root of all evil. I would say religion is, if not a close second.

I see what you are saying, becuase when you ask the non descript white person (no racism intended), they dont say "Yea im Anglican!"

But for some people they have been in the middle of controversy for thier whole life, that they feel pride in thier heritage, whatever it may be.

Personally I define myself as Canadian before i do Jewish, but I am still a Jew.

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Originally Posted by blowuptheraptors

This is an interesting statement. Interesting that I find certain groups very closed from others. These people don't define themselves as "people" or Canadians they define themselves as Jews or Muslims.

I'm not a gentile, an atheist, or an agnostic. I am a Canadian. I'm sorry that people define themselves by religion. People think money is the root of all evil. I would say religion is, if not a close second.

Yeah, I see that. I don't give a **** about political borders, though. I'm from Toronto, that's what I rep, as far as I'm concerned.

But money is definitely the root of all evil. At least religions have good intentions.

[onecooljew]

"Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's cause) is ordained for you" (Surat Al-Baqarah 2:216).

The Koran commands Muslims not to befriend Jews or Christians "O ye who believe (Muslims) take not the Jews or the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them" (Surat Al-Maidah 5:51).

The Koran commands Muslims to fight Jews and Christians' Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Surah At-Taubah 9:29)

The Koran commands Muslims to fight non-Muslims until they exterminate all other religions and Islam would be the only religion in the world. "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against As-Zatimun (the polytheists and wrong doers)" (Surat Al-Baqarah 2:193).

Good intentions?