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lucky777s · 09-17-2004, 08:40 AM

I want to get opinions on the strategy options of Team Carter.

- 3 years left on his contract before his option.
- doesn't have 'no trade' clause

Yet VC's agent says he 'won't accept' a trade to a Western team and that NY is his preferred location? Acts as if they have leverage.

If VC shows up to Raps camp and plays hard for us at the beginning of the season, then it is safe to assume he would also show up to a Western team, if he was traded there, and play hard for them. Isn't it?

So that leads me to believe that VC intends to hold out of training camp and the start of the season. Then he can tell any Western club that he will not report there either.

Does anyone think he would report to the Raps and play hard but then refuse to go where he is traded? That seems odd to me. We would just keep him here if he was playing hard for us and refused to go to the team with the best offer.

I don't think Vince will 'fake' an injury during camp or early season to hold the Raps hostage. I really can't see him going that far. That would completely destroy his reputation.

If he does hold out I say let him sit for the whole season and save the 12 mill US. Team will learn to play true TEAM O and D and probably win 30-35 games anyway. We keep our lotto pick, and then trade VC on draft day for a second lotto pick plus a rotation guy and expiring contract if that is how low his value is.

I think the Fans would respect ownership's stance based on the reaction to the hockey strike.

How do you guys see it playing out?

John · 09-17-2004, 08:54 AM

Crap idea man.

butr · 09-17-2004, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by lucky777s!
I want to get opinions on the strategy options of Team Carter.

- 3 years left on his contract before his option.
- doesn't have 'no trade' clause

Yet VC's agent says he 'won't accept' a trade to a Western team and that NY is his preferred location? Acts as if they have leverage.

If VC shows up to Raps camp and plays hard for us at the beginning of the season, then it is safe to assume he would also show up to a Western team, if he was traded there, and play hard for them. Isn't it?

So that leads me to believe that VC intends to hold out of training camp and the start of the season. Then he can tell any Western club that he will not report there either.

Does anyone think he would report to the Raps and play hard but then refuse to go where he is traded? That seems odd to me. We would just keep him here if he was playing hard for us and refused to go to the team with the best offer.

I don't think Vince will 'fake' an injury during camp or early season to hold the Raps hostage. I really can't see him going that far. That would completely destroy his reputation.

If he does hold out I say let him sit for the whole season and save the 12 mill US. Team will learn to play true TEAM O and D and probably win 30-35 games anyway. We keep our lotto pick, and then trade VC on draft day for a second lotto pick plus a rotation guy and expiring contract if that is how low his value is.

I think the Fans would respect ownership's stance based on the reaction to the hockey strike.

How do you guys see it playing out?

Love it.

<strike>F him. </strike>

IMG said he won't accept a trade so he sounds like a whiny ***** to Western Conference GMs and they won't bother proposing deals because they won't trade for a malcontent. Vince is trying his best to define his own marketplace. This is the only way he can do it and I think it works pretty well.

Right now, I hope they don't trade him. <strike> Let the F'er rot. ROT!

"Time for me to take care of me" STFU you SOAFB.</strike>

HB · 09-17-2004, 09:14 AM

I doubt Vince will hold out, come on man 12mill is a lot of money. Plus how would that look on his holier than thou image, I dont think Vince is that kind of person. I see Mitchell convincing him to play, matter of fact I am hoping he gets lots of anti-sentiments and this pushes him to play angrier than ever. I wont be surprised also if Vince after seeing the raps win a few games comes out and apologizes to everyone and takes back his word. He seems like someone that flipflops on issues

**ballocks** · 09-17-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by lucky777s!
Yet VC's agent says he 'won't accept' a trade to a Western team and that NY is his preferred location? Acts as if they have leverage.

So that leads me to believe that VC intends to hold out of training camp and the start of the season. Then he can tell any Western club that he will not report there either.

I don't think Vince will 'fake' an injury during camp or early season to hold the Raps hostage. I really can't see him going that far. That would completely destroy his reputation.

i really can't see carter holding out anywhere. remember, holdouts are more of a hockey issue- when was the last time an nba player held out for a trade? i remember jim jackson "held out" because he didn't have a rookie contract (& steve francis in vancouver)- but he didn't have a contract, that's entirely different.

if those are indeed VC's preferences, that's fine- but i think that's all they are. i think he's made his preferences known, but won't necessarily hold anyone "hostage" in the event they're not met.

honestly, i don't think he's going to be cold-blooded about the situation. if he's still on the roster, he'll probably show up to camp on time and just ride it out. i don't think this situation is as dramatic as some people are making it out to be- the guy wants to be moved and just issued a public trade demand, but that doesn't (shouldn't) necessarily mean that he'll be an intolerable malcontent come nov 1.

i could see him faking an injury more than i could see him holding out, and i can't really even see that happening. it's unfortunate that he feels the way he does, but i don't think he's become a child from hell overnight- the man's still (1/2) human.

peace

**CrookedJ** · 09-17-2004, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by ballocks!

i really can't see carter holding out anywhere. remember, holdouts are more of a hockey issue- when was the last time an nba player held out for a trade? i remember jim jackson "held out" because he didn't have a rookie contract (& steve francis in vancouver)- but he didn't have a contract, that's entirely different.

if those are indeed VC's preferences, that's fine- but i think that's all they are. i think he's made his preferences known, but won't necessarily hold anyone "hostage" in the event they're not met.

honestly, i don't think he's going to be cold-blooded about the situation. if he's still on the roster, he'll probably show up to camp on time and just ride it out. i don't think this situation is as dramatic as some people are making it out to be- the guy wants to be moved and just issued a public trade demand, but that doesn't (shouldn't) necessarily mean that he'll be an intolerable malcontent come nov 1.

i could see him faking an injury more than i could see him holding out, and i can't really even see that happening. it's unfortunate that he feels the way he does, but i don't think he's become a child from hell overnight- the man's still (1/2) human.

peace

Yeah playing is really his only option - too much injury time, and he's a major trade risk. You'd have to be REALLY REALLY unhappy to give up 12 million to not play ball by holding out.

**BEEZ** · 09-17-2004, 09:50 AM

This goes to show the mentality of today's basketball player. They fell they are higher than the game and it shows in their attitudes. Why should a $13 million dollar a year player need convincing to play. If I were the GM. Its quite simple. You get X amount of dollars a year. You play and leave my office. Its that simple

lucky777s · 09-17-2004, 10:07 AM

So would he report to a Western club if that is who offers the best deal to Babs?

**BEEZ** · 09-17-2004, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by lucky777s!
So would he report to a Western club if that is who offers the best deal to Babs?

Its not up to him whether he wants to or not. These owners need to grow some you know what. I wish I could tell my boss I didnt want to relocate down the road from where my company is now. He would say then you can stay right here and laugh in my face. If the Raptors were to trade him they should look for best available suitors for they're team

HB · 09-17-2004, 11:03 AM

^You make some good points, but what about the other team. What if the raptors actually find someone they are willing to deal with but Vince doesnt like the team. Dont you think he would do the same thing and whine on the same team, I as a GM wouldnt want to take a risk on a player am not sure would like to play for me

**BEEZ** · 09-17-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Hbwoy!
^You make some good points, but what about the other team. What if the raptors actually find someone they are willing to deal with but Vince doesnt like the team. Dont you think he would do the same thing and whine on the same team, I as a GM wouldnt want to take a risk on a player am not sure would like to play for me

If he wants to get paid he will play.

**CrookedJ** · 09-17-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by BEEZ!

Its not up to him whether he wants to or not. These owners need to grow some you know what. I wish I could tell my boss I didnt want to relocate down the road from where my company is now. He would say then you can stay right here and laugh in my face. If the Raptors were to trade him they should look for best available suitors for they're team

You can also quit your job and work pretty much anywhere you want. Vince is being a tool, but he's got much more say in his future than a working stiff like us would.

I think he'll play pretty much anywhere in all honesty. He might be spoiled but he's not an idiot, he has to realize that if he demands to be traded to NY, a team that is virtually impossible to trade with, he will NOT be traded at all.

**BEEZ** · 09-17-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by CrookedJ!

You can also quit your job and work pretty much anywhere you want. Vince is being a tool, but he's got much more say in his future than a working stiff like us would.

I think he'll play pretty much anywhere in all honesty. He might be spoiled but he's not an idiot, he has to realize that if he demands to be traded to NY, a team that is virtually impossible to trade with, he will NOT be traded at all.

great point

AdamIllman · 09-17-2004, 02:12 PM

Teams that I can see as trading partners if Babcock is smart and doesn't try to deal Vince for equal value....

Memphis for Posey, Wright and a 1st rounder

Milwaukee for Mason, Pachulia, Joe Smith, 1st rounder

Golden State for Dunleavy, Dale Davis, 1st rounder, cash

Phoenix w/ Palacio for Eisley, Barbosa, Lampe, 2 2004 1sts (theirs and chicago's) ---this is the one i'd do if available. Phoenix traded for these players last year in an attempt to build for the future but with the signings of nash and Q barbosa and lampe wont get minutes (lampe wouldnt anyway)

3 of the 4 teams listed here are western conference teams...but if the teams will agree to a dea

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