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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...d=970599119419

Ah I'm lazy, just read it.

McFurious

Im not buying it.

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JL2002

I don't think Babcock is that stupid, so i do trust this is the best trade offer he received....

cpawfan

The author isn't very bright. Any time there are BYC issues, the teams have to add a lot of salary to both sides to make it work. NO could only take back 50% of JM's salary, while Toronto had to count 100% of it in there calculations.

So to make a trade work with in the 115% + 100,000 with JM making 8.53, the deal needed to be big enough that 4.215 million was 15% of the deal. Since 4.215/0.15 = 28.1, both sides would have had to add a lot of players to make the trade work.

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charlz

Doug smith's article:

certainly got me pissed off at team babcock. Never before has doug Smith be so pointedly crucifying of the Raptor brain trust as he has this season. This goes back to Vince going to Doug for his trade demands.

I don't even need to say anthing about the other writer (DF) who works for the same paper.

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so after reading the article I was a little skeptical about (league sources) but when babs would not comment it made me wonder
- is there some substance to this?
- or is Smitty trying bury babs until he becomes an insider again (like he was with Grunwald).

does anyone have an opionion? for the record if he did pass on Jamaal for Vince it is totally totally totally ****ed up.

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ansoncarter

even if we could have done Vince for Magloire/filler (which is not even possible, it'd have to be in the 20mil area on each side to get into 15% territory) I'd rather have the picks.

Magloire is only under contract for 2yrs. We're going to suck for 2 years anyway, with or without him.

lucky777s

As noted, the Hornets did not have expiring contracts to make up the difference. The trade would clearly have sent Mashburn to the Raps along with Mags.

It's a bit of a quick fix approach that would hurt our cap space, ability to use the MLE, and probably leave us with only 1 first round pick over the next 2 drafts. That would severely limit our chances of becoming a true contender in the East and potentially lock us into being a middle to low playoff team in the East for many years.

We would still have cap space in summer 2007 but without those extra picks our core would be pretty bare (no Bonner either) and we would need to pay top dollar just to FA's just to get a decent core and have nothing left to build a contender. We will be committing to pay Mags big dollars in a year or two.

I could support this trade, but not doing it might be the better long term move.

ansoncarter

that article goes out of its way to make Babcock look bad. BUt really just makes Doug look like he is a reporter commenting on trades who has no idea how the cba works

"but a league source said the Hornets were willing to throw in a variety of expiring contracts to match Carter's salary of slightly more than $12 million."

^he makes it sound like Babcock could have just done VInce for Magloire/filler. But it wouldnt' come close to satisfying the 15% because of Magloires status

"But Babcock could not be convinced and wanted other New Orleans players included in the deal, according to a highly placed Hornet source. to grow much bigger"

^he keeps making it sound like he had a choice. The deal would have to be way more total salary moving from each side to satisfy the 15%

either I'm dead wrong, or Doug Smith is a freaking moron

speedythief

Guess when Magloire is a free agent?
Guess when we have cap space to sign someone to a big deal?
Uh-huh. Same summer.

lucky777s

There is another thread on that subject, but another interesting rumour in that article was the Antonio Daniels and the 12 pick for the Raps 8 pick.

That would mean no Rafer and likely drafting someone like Swift, Jefferson, Biedrins, or Harrison. Hoffa would be gone. That is the whole purpose of Seattle moving down, to get Hoffa. They took Swift at 12 which shows where their focus was. And I think Golden State would definitley have taken Hoffa at 11 if Philly and Cleveland passed on him. Then they wouldn't have signed Foyle to that bad contract.

Daniels is 30 and not a long term answer. And the Raps wanted Hoffa. The whole management team was very happy to get him at 8. I thnk he was much more in demand than most people knew. This rumour seems to support that.

adhir1

thats the sumer when Rose comes off the books right? i dont think by then we will need him...if rob was right in drafting Hoffa, then we will have a good center..and doubt that we will pursue Magloire....

lucky777s

Excellent point Speedy. We just have to hope that he doesn't get traded and sign an extension with a new team in the meantime.

speedythief

The Star article clearly shows that Smith has a complete lack of understanding of the CBA, as has been pointed-out already.

Remember when we were making all those VC trade scenarios? Whenever somebody used the Hornets, it was really complicated.

Most often it is necessary to involve a third team when dealing with BYC players, because you can't just trade like seven or eight players at once. Trades like that really never happen.


I also found it funny that Smith says that the jury is still out on all of Babcock's moves, then goes on to praise/slam them one by one. The jury's still out, but hiring Mitchell and re-signing Peterson were good moves, the others were bad ones. Talk about a chicken**** way to appraise Babcock's work.

It's a bad move... but it's too early to tell!

TRON

That summer (in two years) could be big, if both Magloire and Bosh don't sign extensions, they will be available to toss a lot of money at.

I still don't really understand the BYC implictations, but I from all the people here that made trade proposals, no one came up with a Magloire deal that would work, so I'll assume neither could Babcock.

now, this rumour...

again I don't know if this is accurate, but if true, that has got to rank as an even worst move than selecting Hoffa with the 8, but this doesn't sound true at all ?????

Daniels, Dorell Wright > Rafer and Hoffa

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