speedythief

I agree with the notion that Vince should've been traded in the summer, but I understand why he wasn't.

I'm not sold on Babcock overall, personally, but I think that he's only made two obvious mistakes so far, and the rest is justifiable to varying degrees. The moves I've disliked were the Mourning buyout and the failure to move Marshall for something of value.

Everything else is still up for debate, IMO.

Ballyhoo

Ok, one more post before I let this drop (...for now ).

It looks we're going to start the 05/06 season with essentially the same team as we did last year, except with Graham instead of Vince, and Villanueva instead of Marshall. Yeah we got younger, but I just can't help but think Babcock downgraded both positions.

Ukic is the wildcard, maybe he can make a difference...

Magus Relmyn

He will.

trick

when you start to replace veterans with rooks on the team, it would make sense that they not do as well as before right?

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Carbo04

Babcocks horrible. And if the management doesn't get **** together REAL fast you're going to lose the only thing you guys have in Bosh too.

ATLien

Well, I will agree with you that Babcock is horrible, but Bosh is not going anywhere anytime soon. That really isn't the trend in today's NBA. You are going to start seeing more and more players re-sign after their original rookie contract, IMO, of course some will be exceptions but I don't think Bosh falls under that category. And Villanueva & Graham won't be totally useless. Villy is a long, versatile athlete than can cause havoc on defenses and Graham is a gritty man to man defender who can shut down perimeter players. I didn't agree with the picks, but they will still play a role on this team.

foul_balls

Gonna try to make 2 quotes - if it doesn't work, sorry.

I don't mean to disrespect anyone, especially people's opinions I like to read, so I quoted myself first, showing how I was even more way off in my predictions, especially my prediction that Araujo might be a serviceable player.

Ballyhoo, your quote above shows you were interested in keeping VC. We all make predictions, some of which pan out and some of which don't. I thought Utah was going to clean up this year, but they tanked big time. You were right on the mark with your Jefferson and Nelson idea.

I guess my point is that Babcock is getting way too much flak because his first move was a major dud. There are alot of anaylsts (Steven A. Smith, Chad Ford) who go on and on with their predictions but never get held accountable, like me. We need more time to evaluate him.

In fact, I saw one article that said the Raptors made great picks in the 2005 draft, and then followed that up with "Is it Wayne Embry?" Babcock is unfairly getting total **** when his picks don't pan out and then doesn't even get the fanfare when he does something well.

Do you not think that this team, has potential to be better (in their prime) than last year's with Marshall and VC?

JL2002

Babcock on HOOPS said he was offered a player for Marshall with about the same $$/year but had a 4 yr contract, and was offered a 2nd round pick on top. That was the best deal he got. And there's no sense in taking the 4 yr contract when he can do more in the FA, and he has tons of picks this year already, the 2nd rounder was just a throw-in to lure Babcock to take the deal.

Vince Carter trade, well, we now have EWill; AaWill; 20mil saved (he said that on HOOPS), i guess u can add 10mil for Mourning buyout, so 10mil saved; and Joey Graham + Denver 06 pick. Bab said that was the best deal out there, and by all these factor, i think its a pretty good deal already. Really, Vince really had no value after a couple of injured season and a request for trade....he dropped his value tremandously and there's no way anyone is going to trade a T-Mac for him....Babcock has admitted that Vince wasn't happy, didn't want to stay, so he was forced to trade him....

Hoffa was the worst decision, yet he's only in his first year....really have to see how he's doing in the next few years.

We probably got the 2nd best, if not the best out of the 05 draft. Tho controversey on why Charlie went that high, but when you think about it, Antoine Wright and rumoured crew didn't go till 15th pick. No sense for teams to trade up for guys like Vazquez, Korolev etc.... so Babcock might have been stuck with the 7th. He could've took Granger and/or Green with the 2 picks, but he said there's some issues with Granger and Green with the Raptors that they decide not to take them. Well I guess it could be something like them not wanting to go to Canada....something along the line, but Babcock said he can't tell what it is, but watever the reason is made him say no to the two....

Rafer, really is a cheap PG with good numbers + attitude, he will grow up tho.....someday....

The HOOPS interview really explained every crappy move we think he have made, but really now I trust his moves, and i think he's a pretty good GM compared to a lot of others....the only problem he really have with this team is that, his team is in CANADA.....

ColinBeehler

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