FanOfAll8472

The Raptors were 3rd or so, but it doesn't matter because Marshall made a large amount of those 3s (over 2 pg). Marshall in, all likelihood, isn't returning.

Secondly, I'm showing you why it might now work. I don't know why teams are eager to model a system that hasn't netted any championships. The only true fast break team that I can recall winning championships was the Showtime Lakers, but they had a true center (HOF in fact) and a legit big man at the 4 (AC Green). Oh one of the best, if not the best, PG ever. I'm not saying a Bosh/Villanueva frontcourt and a fast break/3 pt shot mentality won't work, but just because we lack a "true center" doesn't mean we have to copy the Suns.

ATLien

Considered top 20 prospects by who? Internet mock drafters? The same mock drafters who quite clearly didn't know what the hell they were talking about! If Villanueva or Graham ever make a all star team and if Ukic ever cracks an NBA rotation I will eat crow in this thread. I am convinced that Ukic and Villanueva were terrible picks, and Graham will only be okay. Everyone else is convinced otherwise.

changv10

The fact is that Villanueva, Graham and Ukic were expected to go anywhere between 7-20. We got ALL of them with 7, 16 and 41 !

Ukic will play for the raptors next season ... book it. He is probably the best young point guard in Europe today (so Jaskevicious (sp?) doesn't count).

Graham was the best athelete of the draft ... good combo of speed, strength, wingspan. He may need a better jump-shot, but he is one of the best free throw shooters out there ... should have no problems shooting. Is there any good free throw shooter that can't shoot jumpers ?

Villanueva and Bosh are both long and athletic. They resemble Rasheed and McDyess. If we face a big center, we have 6'11 280 lb Araujo hitting some bodies.

Mopete is improving. Rose is consistent. Alston is learning ... we have a good core. We will make the playoffs, its just a matter of which spot.

I don't want to bash Atalanta, you guys have a good core. I don't like Salim, but he's a hell of a shooter. Ball hog ... if he goes at the point, he'll make the young Hawks develop much slower. Marvin will try to play power forward in your team. If you guys sign a decent free agent center a la Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry, you guys are set. You have the cap, we don't.

Turkish Delight

How many 16th overall picks have made an All Star Team?
Not many people expected this year's 7th pick overall to be an All Star either, since it's been considered a 'weak' draft.

Print your post out right now, and just stash it in your desk. Just make sure you have some ketchup to eat it with by the end of the season next year.

ATLien

You traded VC for 2 1st's, correct? The 16th pick was one of those, correct? I would hope you would get AT LEAST one all star with those two picks, if not two.

If any other team had your draft, you all would be bashing it with everyone else. But since it's your team who had this draft class, you are going along with it.

trick

say something credible...

first you give yourself more credit than sites who do nothing but research these people and now you're telling us how we should think? i don't put much stock on mocks either but at least they tell us something about their game, while you only say "oh, he'll be a bust."

but in the end i don't know what frustrates me more, you and your one-line posts or the fact that i can't put you on my ignore list.

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Turkish Delight

If VC wasn't playing at an All Star level when we traded him, how could we expect TWO all stars to be drafted with the picks we got in return for him?

Again you are being ignorant to what was actually on the table for Babcock. The Raptors probably could have gotten something better if they traded Carter on draft day, but do you really expect a newly appointed, week old GM to trade his franchise player so soon?

Babcock was looking for expiring contracts and picks in return, and it was difficult to find a team which was offering both. In the end, according to what we actually know, the Nets' offer was by far the best for the Raptors organization.

ATLien

So if you turn Vince Carter into 2 role players, you wouldn't be pissed? Sure, buddy, sure.

charlz

Well I would like to know what combination of 3 players were better?

Frye - has more question marks on him than the riddler
Grangers - knee was enough to keep every lottery team away from him
May - is Marcus fizers more-out-of-shape brother
Digo - is a tweener we have seen Corliss, Lonny Baxter etc already
G.Green - would not work out for the Raps and would not work out head to hear with anyone

So I Would take those 3 any day - what more could he have done - I have been on Babs back since taking Hoffa and all season - I can actually recognize these as being good moves - which leads me to think perhaps Sam and Wayne are having more say...

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charlz

yes exactly - if any of these detractors looked at the sum gain of the draft INSTEAD of the order they would see the team (through luck + strategy) did very well.

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charlz

first of all
step 1: develop a winning culture
step 2: tweak style and personell for championship.


NOTE: people are going to rip me for saying this *but* if Joe Johnson wuz healthy Vs. the spurs and Jimmy Jackson was in his 6th man slot (instead of starting). It could have been a very different series.

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Blazer Freak

Oh, just to let you Raptor fans know. If your expecting Roko over here this year, it is almost 100% likely not to happen.

His buyout is going to be close to 1 million dollars, and an NBA team can only give $350,000 towards buyouts. Also, since Toronto passed on Roko after they promised him at #16, it could be a little bit harder to get him over here.

From Draftexpress:

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